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High Fives for Green Ronin

Congratulations to Chris Pramas, Hal Mangold, Steve Kenson, Rob Schwalb, and the rest of the crew at Green Ronin Games. Friday night at Gencon in scenic Indianapolis, they picked up two of the coveted ENnie Awards for the SONG OF ICE AND FIRE RPG, winning the silver medal for "Best Rules" and the gold medal for "Best Free Product for Quickstart."

One of these years I need to get to Gencon. I just wish it wasn't always so close to worldcon, comicon, and the other big summer conventions.


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Aug. 16th, 2009 11:29 pm (UTC)
I saw the Wild Cards book at the Green Ronin booth, but didn't see the GoT book. Did they have them there, were they sold out, or was I just not looking hard enough?

Also, now that I think about it, here's a burning question for you:

I know that, for legal reasons, most authors who created a sci-fi or fantasy universe often dissuade fans from posting fan-fiction online or having it published in fanzines (unless said fiction was specifically commissioned by the creator), but what is the common stance on, say, someone posting their custom-written RPG campaign for an RPG that is based off of an author's intellectual property? Isn't this essentially fanfic, albeit an interactive kind? I'm curious, especially since Robert Jordan was also staunchly anti-fanfic, and yet a pen-and-paper RPG was made of the Wheel of Time series as well.
Aug. 17th, 2009 03:15 am (UTC)
I think the main difference is how they're made. A campaign is something that's meant to be shared with players, and the end story is one of collaboration and the luck of the dice. Also, the main point of a campaign is to play a game, the story is only part of it.

While some fanfiction is good, and a well done interpretation of characters and setting, a good chunk of fanfiction isn't. Slash fanfiction is a good example, as no matter how many fangirls/fanboys insist two characters the creator made aren't gonna be together like that (Dumbledore/Grindelwald not withstanding). Not to mention fanfiction is often written by one person alone, sometimes just as a fulfillment of the authors wishes.

So I didn't make the best comparison, but I can definitely understand why some authors wouldn't want fanfiction based on their properties.
Aug. 17th, 2009 04:57 am (UTC)
The reason most authors dissuade fan fiction based on their works is because author lawyers fear the possibility of their clients being sued by fans that claim the author stole an idea from their fan fiction to use in their own published work. Probably the most well-known of these instances involved the late Marion Zimmer Bradley (you can look this up if you want).

So, based on this information, let's say someone posts a GoT RPG campaign module they wrote for their gaming group to an RPG forum, so that other GoT game masters can try it out with their own group. When A Dance With Dragons comes out, let's assume this fan reads the book and finds a part in the novel that (to him, at least) sounds like the idea came DIRECTLY from the RPG campaign HE wrote! "How dare GRRM steal my idea!" he thinks. In this instance, what is to keep the fan from trying to sue GRRM?

From what I understand, the act of writing fan fiction -- or an RPG campaign -- is not discouraged, so long as people keep it to themselves. But as soon as you publish something in a fanzine or in a forum or some other public venue, that's where the line falls. And people in the gaming community enjoy sharing with other gamers. I'm just trying to figure out whether there's some kind of proviso in the rulebooks of a book-series-based RPG that would protect the author in cases like this. Something like, "The material and universe presented in the this book is TM and (C) by [author], and all adventures written using this material are for personal use only."

Myself, I don't like fan fiction as a creative outlet or a writing exercise, because if you have the talent to write a good yarn, you're much better off doing so in a universe you make yourself, with characters you have come up with.
Aug. 17th, 2009 12:53 am (UTC)
That is some pretty wicked cover art. I always like seeing how other artists visualize things like the antler helm, weapons etc.
Aug. 17th, 2009 01:12 am (UTC)
Congratulations to them indeed! It's a very good game system.

Aug. 17th, 2009 02:09 am (UTC)
Also -- we sold out of the stock that we brought of core rulebook, and the new adventure Peril at King's Landing, both at the show. Not that they're out of print! But we sold all of 'em that we brought to the show.

(I'm the new developer on the game line)
Aug. 17th, 2009 03:17 am (UTC)
Good job for Green Ronin. Haven't played it yet, first I have to get all my friends to read ASOAIF then we could have an awesome game together.
Aug. 17th, 2009 05:15 am (UTC)
Love, love the ASOAIF RPG ruleset. Nicely done, Green Ronin!
Aug. 17th, 2009 02:17 pm (UTC)
Awesome, SIFRP is my first RPG I've purchased and I'm glad to see it appears to have been a good choice. Now if they'll just release Peril at King's Landing so I can finally get a game going ...
Aug. 17th, 2009 04:26 pm (UTC)
If you ever do make it to Gen Con, I'm sure the ENnies would LOVE to have you as a guest presenter. I can say this with some authority, as I am the ENnies Submissions Coordinator and Publisher Relations.

I'm sure Chris and the folks at Green Ronin have already said it, but, thanks for creating such a vivid world that can be adapted to an award-winning RPG.
Aug. 17th, 2009 05:28 pm (UTC)
what about a dance with dragons
Amazon has posted a shipping date for book 5: october 29th: is this for real? I see you have not posted any update since 2008, and I don't visit this blog often, but I haven't seen it mentionned in any recent post, and was wondering how much longer we eager fans will be waiting for the next installment...

cheers, and "bonsoir" from paris
Aug. 17th, 2009 06:17 pm (UTC)
Re: what about a dance with dragons
George has most recently said that he has about a couple hundred pages left to write, and he and his editor are hopeful that October-November may see the mansucript completed. In that case, with any luck publication could follow next year in a few months (February, March, something like that).

Never trust Amazon.com's dates if the book is not completed. They pull them out of a hat. :)
Aug. 18th, 2009 04:33 am (UTC)
Re: what about a dance with dragons
Oh good, that means I have time to not only finish A Storm of Swords and A Feast for Crows, but I can actually take the time to read other stuff, too.
Aug. 17th, 2009 05:39 pm (UTC)
The awards are very well deserved, it is a lovely game. I can't wait until our game kicks off!
Aug. 17th, 2009 06:24 pm (UTC)
You missed one . . .
Aug. 17th, 2009 08:18 pm (UTC)
Dragon Con

Please come to Dragon-Con (in Atlanta).

Its over Labor day, good airport, silly but happy fans and we plan to enter the Starks in the costume contest. I may run a miniatures game based on the battle at the wall that concludes Storm of Swords.

Painting/converting Wildlings now.

Authors under-represented.

The Thomas of Summer Fall (well Atlanta)
Aug. 18th, 2009 01:38 am (UTC)
Play Test
I got a chance to play test at the Green Ronin booth. Very impressed, and the Quick Start Book was very well done.
Aug. 18th, 2009 02:15 am (UTC)
Off Topic
I know this is off topic but I need help. A while back I remember Mr. Martin posting some recomendations on books to read while waiting for ADWD. I believe he specifically mentioned if you are looking for another epic fantasy written in the mid-evil times read xxxxxxxxx. I cannot find the post and would love to read another book(s) set in the age of castles, knights etc. George, if you remember the post I am talking about can you repeat that info, or if any other fans out there can recommend something I would greatly appreciate it.
Aug. 18th, 2009 03:00 pm (UTC)
No no silly author, Gen Con doesn't happen too close to other summer cons. They happen to close to Gen Con... :)
Aug. 18th, 2009 06:10 pm (UTC)
Re: GenCon
This is true of all the other cons, except Dragon*Con. DragonCon and GenCon are like closely orbiting binary stars of approximately equal mass around which all else revolves. (that makes the orbit point August 26 this year) ComicCon is the next star-system over and WorldCon is a Black Hole that lurks nearby, but it has an erratic orbit so it's never where you expect until it's on top of you.
Aug. 18th, 2009 06:44 pm (UTC)
Picked up the GoT LCG "Kings Of The Seas" expansion and the Asha Greyjoy and Melessandre minis from Dark Sword Miniatures at GenCon this year.

GenCon and DragonCon aren't really comparable. GenCon is almost completely focused on gaming. DragonCon... isn't.
Aug. 18th, 2009 06:58 pm (UTC)
It was a great con. The book looks beautiful. Got to meet Rob. A friend of mine from the olden days was editor on the book. Chatted with Pat Rothfuss for a while. Played some great new games. Wish you could've been there too!
Aug. 18th, 2009 08:55 pm (UTC)
The series
Is what the role of cersei is already taken? If not, here a proposal. A beautiful actress like the day!!!


Another idea :


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