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Little Brother...

... was the great betrayer.

... worked at a tobacco factory.

... is a novel by Cory Doctorow that was nominated for the Hugo, but that doesn't count.

... was the great betrayed.

... never went to space, but has been in freefall.

Just sayin'


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Sep. 25th, 2009 08:29 pm (UTC)
A clue about one of the wolves maybe? ;)
Sep. 25th, 2009 08:30 pm (UTC)
Cory Doctorow as Bran Stark!

You heard it here first.

The only question is whether he will wear the goggles and red cape in the role... :)
Sep. 25th, 2009 09:00 pm (UTC)
Oh god, I lol'd.

It's also in his contract that Bran gets a passionately delivered fifteen minute monologue about the benefits of Creative Commons liscensing, to which Hodor is the only witness.
Sep. 25th, 2009 08:42 pm (UTC)
You're a deliciously evil man :)
Sep. 25th, 2009 09:06 pm (UTC)
I think it's Joseph Mawle as Benjen.

Got it about fifteen minutes ago but don't want to spoil anyone else's fun:


(Please feel free to hide this until it's announced.)
Sep. 25th, 2009 09:09 pm (UTC)
David Bowie is playing Renly?
Sep. 26th, 2009 03:05 am (UTC)
I'm behind this 100%
Sep. 27th, 2009 04:48 pm (UTC)
My first thought was David Bowie as Kevan Lannister, but I like this better ; )
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Sep. 25th, 2009 09:40 pm (UTC)
That's completely unfair. I tracked that down and posted my results, only to see your comment unscreened after I posted.

These people need jobs! Or I need less of a job. ;)
Sep. 25th, 2009 09:14 pm (UTC)
Because half of the people are little-known folks from the UK, I'm going out on a limb and saying that the second clue has to do with Tobacco Factory Theatre, and Little Brother had a role in a play there.

Of course, that's not much to go on, since they don't list the cast of every production they've ever made...
Sep. 25th, 2009 09:15 pm (UTC)
Joseph Mawle. Benjen Stark or a different direction for Drogo?
Sep. 25th, 2009 09:21 pm (UTC)
Pretty sure they already figured this one out over at WiC. Don't know how they did it, because man, were they fast!
Sep. 25th, 2009 09:24 pm (UTC)
Jayden Chamberlain
as Bran?
Jayden appeared in a 2007 TV movie called "Freefall" (along with Alfie Allen).
Sep. 25th, 2009 09:31 pm (UTC)
Entering the clues into Google takes you straight to Joseph Mawle, you need to think of clues that are Google-proof;)
Sep. 25th, 2009 10:51 pm (UTC)
Do you mind laying out the exact search terms you used? I actually had to interpret the clues a bit first.
Sep. 25th, 2009 09:42 pm (UTC)
Pretty easy...
Just had to google: "actor played both Jesus and Judas"

And the first result is from biblefilms.blogspot.com and it talks about Joseph Mawle playing both Jesus and Judas and then you check his wikipedia page and you see he "He landed his first major role in a 2003 production of Troilus and Cressida playing Troilus for Shakespeare at The Tobacco factory,"

And then on his imdb page you see he was in Freefall.

Easy Peasy Lemon Squeezy
Sep. 25th, 2009 10:55 pm (UTC)
Re: Pretty easy...
Don't sell yourself short.

First of all, figuring out that he's talking about Jesus and Judas takes some interpretation. Plus, you had to figure out that "Little Brother" meant Benjen and not Bran.

Sure, it may be easy in retrospect, but maybe figuring out those bits of the clue means that you're smart.
Sep. 27th, 2009 07:11 am (UTC)
Re: Pretty easy...
Sorry, but only to someone who's culturally illiterate or just off the boat from an entirely non-Christian culture. Judas' Wikipedia entry notes "the term Judas has entered many languages as a synonym for betrayer" and "Judas has become the archetype of the betrayer in Western culture" Pairing great betrayer/great betrayed is pretty straightforward, too.

Who else are you going to pick as a *great* betrayer? Benedict Arnold? Quisling? Aldrich Ames? :-)

In other words, that was a pretty straightforward clue. While appropriate accolates should indeed go to those who figured it out first, inflating the supposed difficulty to praise them rings falsely.
Sep. 27th, 2009 04:59 pm (UTC)
Re: Pretty easy...
Two days later, it's pretty obvious to me that my comment above and the one dgaukel in reference to the Google search is an attempt by me in my post-guess-rapture to protect my feelings of accomplishment.

I have to say it made me a little crazy that people were saying how easy it was to solve and all you had to do is Google the questions to find Joseph Mawle's name. I was trying to illustrate that one actually has to make an interpretation of the clues before using Google. To say otherwise discounts GRRM's clue-making ability and cheapens what those of us who guess actually do. As I mentioned above, you first have to know that you're looking for Benjen and not Bran. Otherwise, you'll be trying to apply the clues to a child actor. That's not something you can Google. Again, you may think it's easy, but it isn't for some people.

I admit that since they were posting this *after* I had already posted his name for all to see, and *after* Eraeos posted a quote of my proof that it was him, I felt like I was being discounted a bit. Even if they didn't read my stuff before they found easier methods to solve it, I wanted acknowledgement that I had blazed the trail.

I wish my ego wasn't so fragile, but there it is.
Sep. 25th, 2009 09:42 pm (UTC)
Hmm a possibility for Bran perhaps

I was wondering if it could be Seamus Davey-Fitzpatrick who's currently 10 years old.

The great betrayer" - He played Damien in 'The Omen'(2006)
"has never been to space" could be a reference to 'Life on Mars'
Sep. 25th, 2009 09:47 pm (UTC)
oh and as for the "great betrayed",

Seamus Davey-Fitzpatrick played 'young Robert' in Everybody's Fine
Sep. 25th, 2009 09:50 pm (UTC)
I see clues and my first thought (forgive me) is that you must be wearing a blue dress because you're being devilish.

But fwiw, josephmawle.com has crashed due to too many people looking at it!
Sep. 25th, 2009 10:08 pm (UTC)
... was the great betrayer.

It is probably a bad sign that my first thought was "Jeremy Irons? Voice of Scar?"

He doesn't match the other clues, awesome though he may be.
Sep. 25th, 2009 10:18 pm (UTC)
Great book too.
Sep. 26th, 2009 12:11 am (UTC)
Poor Mawle
I guess a lot of people think it's Joseph Mawle. Poor bastard's official website crashed.
Sep. 26th, 2009 12:14 am (UTC)
Northern Ireland
I have to point out (since I won't bother to register at the site where someone made this comment) about "UK Laws" and using wolves in Belfast. Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland, separate from England, each have their own laws, and laws made in London unless they affect "reserved matters" such as foreign affairs do not apply in Belfast.

So there would normally be no "UK Law" that would apply in Belfast. I'm sure Mr. Martin is well aware whether the wolves can be used in NI.

Sep. 26th, 2009 01:07 am (UTC)
Re: Northern Ireland
Whilst the point that Northern Ireland has separate laws to England is well-taken, quarantine laws and transportation of dangerous animals across national borders are under the banner of EU law, and Northern Ireland is subject to the same restrictions as the rest of the UK and indeed Europe. As dangerous animals, the wolves will have to spend 6 months in quarantine, and will therefore not be available for the filming of the pilot.

The earlier speculation was maybe they were being shipped in for use in the series itself (if commissioned, touch wood etc) when the wolves are older. I take it from GRRM's earlier comment that that is not the case.
Sep. 26th, 2009 01:36 am (UTC)
Re: Northern Ireland
I thought the wolves were already in the UK and would have already been through the appropriate quarantine. In spite of NI having it's own laws, I don't think taking them there from England would be considered taking them across a national border. However, I haven't followed the discussion of the wolves that closely so perhaps I'm mistaken that they are already in the UK.

I simply like to educate people as much as possible that there are kingdoms which have their own laws within the "United Kingdom and Norther Ireland". ;-)
Sep. 26th, 2009 03:18 am (UTC)
Re: Northern Ireland
The wolves were originally from Norway, and the TV report where the rumours came from said they were taken over to the UK only a couple of weeks ago, hence the whole speculation about quarantine. Going from England to Northern Ireland wouldn't count for quarantine purposes, as far as I know anyway.
Sep. 26th, 2009 08:51 am (UTC)
Jup definitely Joseph Mawle. The "Freefall" did it.

If he's cast as Benjen, we have another fantastic Stark amongst us.
Sep. 26th, 2009 03:40 pm (UTC)
... Tom Petty was cast as Aerys?!
Sep. 26th, 2009 04:46 pm (UTC)
Too many clues...
point straight to Joseph Mawle. it's got to be him. he looks like Benjen to me anyway!
Sep. 27th, 2009 10:04 pm (UTC)
I want Summer Glau as Meera Reed! Wooooo!
Sep. 28th, 2009 01:09 pm (UTC)
Really excited about all the cast so far, and can't wait to see how it all turns out!

Two questions, though.

First, is the pilot something that's going to be aired, or is it just to show the network?

Second (and this is only related insofar as it's ASOIAF related), since GRRM has accumulated three Dunk and Egg stories so far, can we expect them to eventually be compiled together?
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