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Pity Poor Missouri

ConQuest (in Kansas City) and Archon (in St. Louis) are two of my favorite regional conventions. I've been attending both, off and on, for decades. I have lots of good friends in Missouri. Some of them are even football fans.

This has not been their year, to say the least. The Chiefs and the Rams are both 0-4, and the prospects of either one getting better soon is not high. And now, to drip some acid into the wounds, ESPN reports that right-wing gasbag Rush Limbaugh is attempting to buy the Rams.

Oh, dear.

If this goes through -- and I certainly hope that it does not -- I wonder how all the black players on the Rams will feel about playing for such an outspoken racist? Or perhaps Rush will attempt to emulate George Preston Marshall, former owner of the Redskins, who kept his team all white when the rest of the league had integrated.

Oh, and here's some sportswriters from all across the country weighing in on the prospects of Rush as an NFL owner:


Nice to see some people speaking out.



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Oct. 6th, 2009 10:26 pm (UTC)
Not a fan of this. I understand the leftwing viewpoint, but outspoken racism? A little much.
Oct. 6th, 2009 10:42 pm (UTC)
Re: Wow
He got fired from ESPN for his Donovan McNabb statements. His comments about Nelson Mandela, Darfur, Sotomayor, and Obama are all on the record. Couldn't be much plainer.
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Oct. 6th, 2009 10:34 pm (UTC)
an answer
I don't suppose that Meereenese knot you're always talking about can be solved by somehow writing Rush Limbaugh into the story and subsequently killing him off. Painfully. Slowly.

If not, do you just want to do it for kicks anyway?
Oct. 7th, 2009 01:13 am (UTC)
Re: an answer
Yeah, give him over to (ex)Maester Qyburn.
Re: an answer - vger1970 - Oct. 7th, 2009 03:24 am (UTC) - Expand
Oct. 6th, 2009 10:40 pm (UTC)
can't someone feather that guy while hes on the privy.
Oct. 6th, 2009 10:45 pm (UTC)
Great, now football will have a Marge Schott too
Oct. 6th, 2009 10:51 pm (UTC)
The Utah Rams....

His partner to be Dave Checketts did a good job (sort of) with the Knicks. He inherited Patrick, but brought in Pat. He never could bring in another top player to team with Ewing. When he became President of Madison Square Garden the Rangers and the Knicks became perennial losers. He's still persona non grata in the Garden. They deserve each other. A brilliant bighead and a bigmouth bighead. I guess Rush will be converting soon.
Oct. 6th, 2009 11:11 pm (UTC)
Speaking of NFL Racism
And speaking of NFL racism, has anyone noticed that there is a team called the Redskins? Why is this team allowed, let alone tolerated, let alone embraced by millions of fans?
Oct. 6th, 2009 11:31 pm (UTC)
Re: Speaking of NFL Racism
I know. I don't understand why the NFL won't do the right thing. I will bet that no individual would have the balls to go into an Indian reservation and call the residents Redskin. And yet, those same individuals would hide behind their racist beliefs and say that people who object to the name are too sensitive.
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Oct. 6th, 2009 11:24 pm (UTC)
See, to many of us Northern Californians, this makes perfect sense.

We get to combine our dislike of the (formerly Los Angeles) Rams with our dislike of Rush.

Win-Win, as far as I'm concerned!
Oct. 7th, 2009 12:07 am (UTC)
With luck the team will draft someone from Rio Linda...
Oct. 6th, 2009 11:30 pm (UTC)
I feel like i have some idea of what's actually going on in American Football thanks to your updates. It was really helpful when i visited USA earlier in the year. People though i actually followed it!

When you come to Australia next year (early Septemeber) it will be finals time for the Australian Football League (AFL). You and Paris should come watch a game! If you are interested please let me know and i can organise it for you.

Oct. 6th, 2009 11:44 pm (UTC)
Re: Footy!
We've been to Aussie rules games, actually. Back in the infancy of the all sports channel, ESPN, they used to run a lot of Aussie rules games in the wee hours of the morning. Parris and I became fans of the Essendon Bombers, who were one of the big teams back then, defeating Hawthorne to win the championship.
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Oct. 6th, 2009 11:35 pm (UTC)
Limbaugh owning the Rams will make it easy for the defense of opposing teams.

There is no way The Rams will go to the left!
Oct. 6th, 2009 11:50 pm (UTC)
And the team will most definitely be heavy, on the offensive side.
Oct. 6th, 2009 11:46 pm (UTC)
On The Fence

On the plus side, Rush Limbaugh would give me the perfect excuse to leave my woebegotten Rams, finally.

Though having an heiress as an owner - one who (allegedly) may have drowned her own husband - isn't much better.

(Why yes, I -will- argue that a possible single-time in-it-for-the-money murderess is a smidge better than someone who poisons peoples' minds with hate and paranoia on a daily basis. I don't seem to remember Hitler pulling any triggers himself either.)

But Jesus, who would I root for? I was always a big Joe Willie guy, but he wasn't just a Jet.

Kurt Warner's still with the Cards. Hmmm...
Oct. 6th, 2009 11:56 pm (UTC)
Ahhhhh the tolerance of the Left.
Oct. 7th, 2009 12:55 am (UTC)
Why exactly are we supposed to tolerate the racist things Limbaugh has said? Could you explain your comment please?
(no subject) - metamorphage - Oct. 7th, 2009 01:33 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - infinite_hiatus - Oct. 7th, 2009 02:13 pm (UTC) - Expand
On a totally awesomer note! - betasignal - Oct. 7th, 2009 04:49 pm (UTC) - Expand
Oct. 7th, 2009 12:03 am (UTC)
Rush Limbaugh is a walking, and unfortunately talking, example of just about every negative stereotype people have about Americans.

Racist, loud-mouthed, arrogant and ignorant of the world outside of his little bubble. I'm lucky to have met enough decent Americans to know that the likes of him aren't representative.

As for football, I'm wondering if the NFL have a 'Fit and Proper Persons' test along similar lines to that which people must pass to own English Premier League (soccer) clubs. I can guarantee that Limbaugh wouldn't pass.
Oct. 7th, 2009 01:34 am (UTC)
It's probably illegal in the US. Unlawful cartel--I think somebody is suing the NHL for that right now.
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Oct. 7th, 2009 12:17 am (UTC)
Daniel Snyder will have to work hard, if he wants to remain the most hated owner in the NFL.
Oct. 7th, 2009 12:53 am (UTC)
Snyder?!?!? Pfauw!
Jerry "Botox Huffer" Jones is the most hated owner, having passed* Zombie Al Davis a long time ago.

*Yes, just like a kidney stone, actually.
Re: Snyder?!?!? Pfauw! - flugel_horn - Oct. 7th, 2009 04:57 pm (UTC) - Expand
Oct. 7th, 2009 12:31 am (UTC)
oi vey
I'm here in Missouri. Used to live in St. Lou and plan to move back one day. Checketts (though more importantly, John Davidson) has done an awesome job with the Blues, but that's beside the point. The point is Limbaugh.

While I do find myself listening to him from time to time while at work, there's very little that I wholly agree with him on. Kind of a morbid curiosity that draws me to him. To me, he's more like a conspiracy theorist. Every word that comes from his mouth is perfectly predictable and follows the little left wing trickery he spouts on about. Dunno why he's the most popular blowhard; possibly because he blows the hardest, but he doesn't offer anything new, original, or constructive to debating. He pulls things out of the headlines (or not in the headlines, if you believe the Left control the media, even though the Right monopolizes talk radio) and picks things out that make Dems look bad and ignores those that make Republicans look bad.

That said, the Rams are saaaaaad this year. I think I heard Dick Vermeil was going to hold a press conference just to cry about this team's performance. All we have to look forward to now is a top 3 pick. BTW, who are the likely top candidates? Tebow? or is he not quite NFL caliber?
Oct. 7th, 2009 12:49 am (UTC)
Sorry GRRM, you're wrong. Rush isn't just a racist he's an overall bigot spewing hate!
Oct. 7th, 2009 12:54 am (UTC)
Unfortunately, the majority of NFL fans just won't care. Just like NBA fans didn't care when former Jazz owner Larry Miller banned Brokeback Mountain from his movie theaters in Utah. I don't see people boycotting something they love (the NFL) in protest to something they at worst find mildly distasteful (Limbaugh).

How is it that people like Limbaugh linger on and on and on through disease and through drug addiction, while talented people like Michael Jackson, Heath Ledger, River Pheonix, etc. keel over left and right? Limbaugh is just begging for an Oxycontin overdose.
Oct. 7th, 2009 01:36 am (UTC)
There's worse things in the world
Say what you want about Rush. I'm sure that any Rams fan just wants ownership that is concerned with winning.
Oct. 7th, 2009 02:00 am (UTC)
Rush Limbaugh is not a racist
While I considering myself a Ron Paul libertarian and think Rush Limbaugh is something of a socialist, I have listened to him enough to know that he's not a racist. All of those quotes on that one page are taken out of context. If you listen to everything he says, he is typically making some sort of sarcastic comment referencing the fact that the left is always calling him a racist. But it still bothers me that he's considered the standard-bearer for the conservative movement. True conservatives want to end the wars overseas, not continue them. And true conservatives talk about ending the Federal Reserve and ending the federal income tax, something he never talks about.

However, racist or not, I don't want to see him as owner of an NFL franchise!!
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Re: Rush Limbaugh is not a racist - bbeitel - Oct. 7th, 2009 10:18 am (UTC) - Expand
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Oct. 7th, 2009 02:28 am (UTC)
Since when is there a rule that says assholes can't buy NFL teams? You or I may not agree with his bullshit but that doesn't matter. A man's race, creed, or religion cannot prohibit him from buying something that's for sale. Now some creeds are dumber than others, but all (no matter how stupid) are protected. That's our America. That said at least its the Rams and not the Chiefs.
Oct. 7th, 2009 02:51 am (UTC)
Re: Hmm...
Assholes buy NFL teams all the time.

And there have been racist owners before, Marshall being the most famous.

Doesn't mean we need more of them, or that we should welcome such douchebags with open arms and glad huzzas.
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Oct. 7th, 2009 03:19 am (UTC)
St. Louis loves you. <3

Speaking as a St. Louis girl who adores your talent.
Oct. 7th, 2009 05:05 am (UTC)
I don't mind the left wing comments but...
You clearly never (or rarely) listen to Rush and are just viewing from what you have read. Many of these comments were made in a satirical way. Also, he says these things to prove his point of the other side always painting anyone with opposing viewpoints as a racist. I have listened to him for almost 20 years and if kept in context he has never, in my hearing, said anything remotely racist. Although he may have carried the “Magic Negro” LA Times parody a bit too far. I think it ridiculous that you would stop being a Rams fan if he buys the team. If I used that logic and avoided entertainment made by anyone with a point of view I deem damaging to this county I certainly would not purchase your books and would have to avoid many movies. Opposing viewpoints make this country stronger. One side (left or right) trying to stomp out the other does not help things.
Oct. 7th, 2009 06:11 am (UTC)
Re: I don't mind the left wing comments but...
Just calling something "satirical" does not make it any less offensive.

Look at Limbaugh's latest outburst, about how white students need to have their own school buses, so black students won't beat them up.

Is it "satirical?" Probably (though I would say "sarcastic," it does not rise to level of real satire). Is it racist? Yes, it is. Language can work on two levels at once. Limbaugh's humor is always designed to inflame and anger, to appeal to the worst side of human nature.

Edited at 2009-10-07 06:12 am (UTC)
Oct. 7th, 2009 05:47 am (UTC)
It's so easy to call people racist these days. It's an accusation that I feel has less and less meaning every day. It seems that people, especially on the left of the isle consistently use that word to engender hatred and disdain. Though many peoples comments are ignorant, conceited, even biased, but to call someone racist it should take more proof than what was offered. Has Limbaugh stepped over the line at times? Unequivocally YES! Has Michael Moore stepped over the line at times? Unequivocally YES! Can everyone tone down the rhetoric and actually discuss meaningful and impactful ways to better our country. The idea that Rush Limbaugh should not own an NFL team because he is perceived as racist is ludicrous. I wish that people would stop using the term racist because it is becoming increasingly more antiquated every day. Also I believe that racism is when the government gives people money based UPON THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN. Finally our country is based upon the ideal that people have a right to believe and think what they want even if it is reprehensible. I do however agree with Mr. Martin in principle that actual racism should be fought against. Let's focus our energy on actual racism and not caricatures of it.
Oct. 7th, 2009 06:07 am (UTC)
Re: Racism
People do have the right to believe and think what they want, "even if it is reprehensible."

But when belief and thought become speech, and enter the public arena, other people have the right to call them on it.

Re: Racism - brewie2323 - Oct. 7th, 2009 11:21 pm (UTC) - Expand
Oct. 7th, 2009 07:36 am (UTC)
Well, well..
George should try and buy the Rams before Limbaugh. I mean Tom Clancy tried to buy Baltimore some years ago, so it could happen. Oooh, and that way he could change the name and the uniforms. Hmmm.... the St. Louis Horrible Hodors. Has a great ring to it,of course he'd have to divert his NY loyalties to his new team.

The players could celebrate touchdowns by doing the Hodor Hop. It'd catch on like wildfire. Forget the Ickey Shuffle.
Oct. 7th, 2009 10:01 am (UTC)
Re: Well, well..
Nah... The St. Louis Lannisters! Onward Crimson and Gold!
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Re: Well, well.. - damesh - Oct. 7th, 2009 02:36 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: Well, well.. - brudewollen - Oct. 7th, 2009 04:14 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: Well, well.. - gh0ti_2 - Oct. 7th, 2009 06:40 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: Well, well.. - bbeitel - Oct. 8th, 2009 10:57 pm (UTC) - Expand
Oct. 7th, 2009 09:43 am (UTC)
Outspoken Racist?
Seriously, whether one likes it or not, football is a business. As such, racial preferences and prejudices are not implicitly part of the equation. A business, whether it knows the formula or not, wants to succeed. A business who ignores avenues of success is doomed to failure.

Presumably your argument with Rush Limbaugh as an owner of an NFL team is that he will fiercely argue against any proven convention, and invite any black members of his team to instead work his cotton fields? Or perhaps you believe every single approach to every debate and every argument the man has ever made? I would like to believe in the altruistic primrose path of every democrat that ever existed, but I don't.

I hesitate to post this reply because I cannot decide if it encroaches upon your reasonable right to say whatever the heck you'd like to in your own journal, but in this case I just disagree with the principles behind what you've said so vehemently. Politics have little to do with football, let's keep it that way.
Oct. 7th, 2009 01:28 pm (UTC)
Nothing wrong w/Indian names
Keep the names(Redskins and Chiefs). I actually believe having these names should be proud for Native Americans. Football players are supposed to be like warriors and defend every inch/yard.
Don't mind Rush, but as I am from NYC I will probably be called a rascist for my comment by Rev. Al. What a douche!
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