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Joe Should Go

I wish I was a United States Senator, so I could introduce a bill to strip Joe Lieberman of his American citizenship.

You know, Golden Rule and all that. Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander. What goes around comes around.

Joe Lieberman = Al Gore's Biggest Mistake.

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grrm
May. 8th, 2010 10:57 pm (UTC)
Re: TERRORIST EXPATRIATION ACT
Guilt by association is a repugnant idea, in my opinion.

It was practiced widely during the McCarthy era (Joe, not Gene), one of the more shameful epochs in American history. Lieberman's bill would start us down the road to the same thing.
jonm095
May. 8th, 2010 11:20 pm (UTC)
Re: TERRORIST EXPATRIATION ACT
Put that way, I agree...to an extent. I don't think this is something that can be boiled down to something as simple as guilt by association. When there is satellite footage or an electronic trail that puts someone smack dab in the middle of a known terrorist camp, where they remain for weeks or months before leaving of their own free will...like I said, give me an explanation of why they have a legitimate reason to be there, and we won't label them terrorist.

I'll start off with a reporter. They have legitimate reason for being there for a few days, maybe a week or even two...but I have doubts about that actually happening, but we'll allow it has possible.

Anything else?

There's more to this than just guilt by association.

I know people fear that the government will overstep its bounds. That's why we, as citizens, as voters, have to keep our eyes open and keep the government in check.

As far as I'm concerned, the government hasn't been within its bounds for decades. Each day, it oversteps a little further.

Before assumptions are made...after doing my research and comparing my views to the available options, I have stepped away from the conservatives (I was an independent in my youth, though I've always voted for whoever I thought best, never along party lines) and find myself in the Libertarian camp. Not perfect. Better than the alternatives, which have devolved into two sides of the same coin (The Republicans are no longer truly conservatives). Since we do not want this to turn in to politics 101, that's as far as I shall go.
grrm
May. 10th, 2010 11:34 pm (UTC)
Re: TERRORIST EXPATRIATION ACT
Why should one of your fellow citizens have to provide you -- or the government -- with this "legitimate reason" you want? His reasons are his own, until and unless he commits a crime.

Again, this is McCarthyism. Throw people in jail not because they commit any actual crime, but because you don't like the people that they associate with.

onefever
May. 9th, 2010 03:17 am (UTC)
Re: TERRORIST EXPATRIATION ACT
There is a difference between associating and providing support. The bill does not say anything about "associating with", "moral support", or even just "support". It focuses on providing material support like funding, equipment, plans, etc. But in that case the material support is treason and I have no idea why it wouldn't just be tried as that.

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