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tiger
Sorry, no casting puzzles for you today.

Offers are out on quite a few parts, both major and minor, but I'm not aware of any deals closing besides the ones already announced. Maybe tomorrow. Maybe next week. Who knows? These things can take time.

Meanwhile, readings and auditions continue for a lot of other roles, and I've been reviewing tapes when I can. Lots and lots of kids of late. Mycah. Rickon. Tommen. Myrcella. Casting kids is really tough, especially when they only have a very few lines. Sometimes you get lucky and find someone like Maisie or Sophie or Isaac, with acting chops far beyond their years, a real instinct for the art. Those are the rare exceptions. Most kids... well, they can look great, and they try hard, and maybe in a few years they will be terrific... but right now, they're just kids reciting lines. They never become the character. So the search goes on. But I've got every confidence that David and Dan and Nina will turn up someone great, even for the small parts (and maybe we already have, I haven't finished reviewing all the kids yet, not even close).

The auditions for the part of Ser Ilyn Payne are the strangest I've even been witness to. Ser Ilyn has no tongue and no lines, of course, so the actors just have to stand there and look mean & scary, reacting to the dialogue of other characters being read to them by the casting assistants. No words to work with, just their mouth, eyes, facial expressions. Talk about challenging.

I know there are aspiring actors and actresses reading this. You guys have all my empathy. It's a tough, tough profession you've chosen. Good luck to all of you.

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3appleshigh
Jun. 30th, 2010 06:39 am (UTC)
so excited for this series. =)
mentalpiracy
Jun. 30th, 2010 07:33 am (UTC)
Sounds like some interesting things to go through for this series. I really am just...ecstatic about seeing this. *bounces in chair*
barristans_sqir
Jun. 30th, 2010 07:34 am (UTC)
David Bradley as Payne
I am no big harry potter fan. Mostly because the books are just mediocre. But, a few years ago after just reading about Ser Jaime and Ser Ilyn sparring, my wife talked me into watching a Harry Potter movie. Ever since then I see Ilyn Payne as a near perfect match to Argus Filch (had to look that up) or David Bradley (actor who played him)
Anyone Agree?
How about you George? Filch for Payne?
marshalmelee
Jun. 30th, 2010 07:37 am (UTC)
I hadn't really considered the physical difficulties of casting the "right" Ilyn Payne or a number of other future characters (like Ser Gregor). You're sure bringing that home.
mortisnightmare
Jun. 30th, 2010 07:52 am (UTC)
Just as a bit of a preface, I'm talking about all "child" characters in the Song of Ice and Fire novels here, not just the ones you mentioned (in part to avoid spoilers for those who haven't read them yet, I wouldn't want to ruin things for them).

I imagine that casting the kids is particularly difficult in some cases because, while they are minor parts in the first book (which from your comments I've gotten the sense is the general story line for the first season, with changes as there always are when turning books into t.v. or film), not all of those characters are so minor in the later books, and some of them become rather key in the third or fourth ones. So you have to find kids who can handle those parts. And also, I imagine the show is also looking for kids who aren't going to suddenly start looking twenty at fourteen, since you don't know if the series will go beyond the first book and if it does, how long that will take. Which has to be frustrating, especially when casting "minor" parts that have the potential to become semi-main characters if the show goes on long enough.

I'm sure that the people who have it will do a fantastic job. They have so far with the casting that has been announced, plus HBO has a history of well-cast television shows. It just has got to be a headache.

Also, I apologize if this is incoherent, it's after 3:30am here and I'm not all the way awake.
oteckre
Jun. 30th, 2010 09:53 am (UTC)
:) Its really both funny and impressive to imagine an audition for Ilyn Payne. I could imagine its hard to keep being serious in this situation...
nic_corelli
Jun. 30th, 2010 10:21 am (UTC)
>> The auditions for the part of Ser Ilyn Payne are the strangest I've ever been witness to. Ser Ilyn has no tongue and no lines, of course, so the actors just have to stand there and look mean & scary <<

This is the funniest thing I`ve read in months. :-)
evilnioj
Jun. 30th, 2010 10:50 am (UTC)
I, an Actor.
Believe me darling you are SOOOO right, and I am only trying to be an extra. What the real actors have to go through heaven knows sweetie.

Now I am off to polish my imaginary Oscar.
lossoth
Jun. 30th, 2010 10:59 am (UTC)
Do they have to do the tongue-clack laugh?
hominysnark
Jun. 30th, 2010 11:32 am (UTC)
"No words to work with, just their mouth, eyes, facial expressions."

One of the finest pieces of acting I've ever seen was by Conrad Veidt in The Man Who Laughs. His mouth was pulled into an unnatural rictus for the part, thereby rendering the lower half of his face useless for expression. He could only act with his eyes, and he did an outstanding job of it.
lt111
Jun. 30th, 2010 11:58 am (UTC)
Others
Sorry if you've answered this 1000 times, but how will the Others be portrayed? I am not savvy enough to know if this is an obvious CGI issue or if you (and the rest of the HBO team) have something else in mind.

I am super relieved to know that the actors you all are selecting will be very good and should capture at least some of the magic of your characters (a tall order, of course). But I am still nervous about the oft-overlooked sound effects! Thinking about the Others makes me hope that their voices truly do sound like cracking ice! I hope the Mountain's voice does indeed sound like breaking rocks! I know I know, nothing can live up to our imaginations....
existentialist
Jun. 30th, 2010 01:38 pm (UTC)
Payne...
I bet Javier Bardem could pull off a mean Sir Ilyn Payne.
celticblood05
Jun. 30th, 2010 02:16 pm (UTC)
Feel bad for actors
Man, when a writer tells another profession THEY have it tough, you know it's true.
nimarii
Jun. 30th, 2010 02:57 pm (UTC)
Wow - wish that we could watch the audition tapes with you! The Ser Ilyn Payne auditions sound fascinating.
patholt
Jun. 30th, 2010 03:03 pm (UTC)
I wonder, has there been any thought put in to how they will handle the children's aging during the filming between seasons? I remember on the Lost TV series that they had to write out the role of Walt because he was aging faster than the character in the show was supposed to be. Obviously they can't write out some of the primary child characters in these books. What happens in 3-4 seasons when Bran or Arya are that much older, but their characters were only to have aged a year or two at most. Kids grow and change really fast in that pre-teen to teen age range.
guidomas
Jun. 30th, 2010 03:25 pm (UTC)
I'd say Vinnie Jones
for the role of Ser Ilyn. The boy can do an evil face. And, since England is out of the World Cup, he doesn't have to watch the tele, all the time in the world to go auditioning. BTW: the Dutch will clinch it (World Cup) this year. It is written...... (so I hope!)
soap_distant
Jul. 6th, 2010 10:29 am (UTC)
Re: I'd say Vinnie Jones
Vinnie Jones is Welsh so doubt he was supporting England anyway. :)

Agree, that there would certainly be worse choices for Ser Ilyn though.
sgath219
Jun. 30th, 2010 03:32 pm (UTC)
The casting for Payne should definitely include that creepy throat noise he makes to laugh. Anyone that can make that terrifying should get the role!

Oh, and George. My friend and I often joke of putting you on a diet and taking care of you, just so that you will finish this series. Exercise, gets lots of sleep, and eat a balanced diet! Or we'll chop of your balls and feed them to the goats!
pahgalpenn
Jun. 30th, 2010 04:30 pm (UTC)
Ilyn Payne would really be quite difficult. Talk about control!
I'll bet that one of the most fun parts to play must be Daario Naharis. He's like a more flamboyant Captain Jack Sparrow with 10 times the swagger. But he wouldn't be cast before the 3rd season, right?
adrenalinitris
Jun. 30th, 2010 05:05 pm (UTC)
A gaffer I once worked with told me that the two worst things to deal with on set were children and animals.

You've really found the perfect balance of agony with this production.
twilightraven
Jun. 30th, 2010 05:21 pm (UTC)
Speaking of animals on set...
Do we know if any of the ravens/wolves/etc will be live animals, or all CG? Or some of each?
grrm
Jun. 30th, 2010 08:41 pm (UTC)
Re: Speaking of animals on set...
A mixture of both.

They were mostly live animals in the pilot, but as the direwolves grow they will get larger than any real wolves and we'll have to go to CGI.

We're trying to use live animals for Dany's pets as well, but you wouldn't believe how hard it is to find properly trained dragons. And our insurance company keeps muttering about fire hazards.
oscarrob
Jun. 30th, 2010 05:08 pm (UTC)
Question
Do you expect that Dance will come out on Kindle at the same time it is first published or at some other time?

PS - Very excited to hear you are inching ever closer to publication.

PPS - I don't think I am looking forward to my lowly Browns meeting your Jets in Week 10.
bobon123
Jun. 30th, 2010 05:44 pm (UTC)
Re: Question
I have already asked him a couple of time, and the answer was "probably". I really hope it does, it's my only chance to read it as soon as it comes out. Otherwise I would likely miss it, like I have done with Warriors*.

Different from Warriors the book will come out in Italian sooner or later, and I will be able to read it after one year or so. But, if the electronic version will not arrive, I'd expect many people will just download it from the Iron Islands' Pirates instead of waiting one year.

*I can't buy a paper version, George's writing is clear but somehow flourished for a nonnative and I sometime need a vocabulary: on a Kindle it's easy, on paper it's too boring. Since Tor's doesn't allow the selling of Warriors' e-book to Europe, I will miss it.
vikjha
Jun. 30th, 2010 08:37 pm (UTC)
Re: Question
yes yes, will the Ebook be available same time???? same time as the UK publication i hope??
rosemc2
Jun. 30th, 2010 05:39 pm (UTC)
Thanks
My eldest son introduced me to A Song of Fire and Ice. I'm busy with A Storm of Swords Book 2. What enjoyment! I'm amazed that one person can weave all these plots and characters together into this wonderful epic. Love the characters - good and evil. Thank you G RR M for the enjoyment (and escapism) provided by your books!
siamkor
Jun. 30th, 2010 07:44 pm (UTC)
Hmm...

Any chance the climax of ASoFaI includes a tense confrontation between Hodor and Ilyn Payne?
3pa3a_ky
Jun. 30th, 2010 07:57 pm (UTC)
Ser Ilyn Payne? thats easy:

version 1 - Scary one
Nikolai Valuev (IF you can get him)



deep set eyes (thoughtful and kind on occasion) - check
grim pockmarked face - check
looks like death - check

He is so menacing, he would not need to speak. ever

version 2 - Easier on the eyes
Oleg Taktarov



deep set pale eyes - yes
can make scary sounds (as predator) - yes
looks manacing off a horse -yes


infinite_hiatus
Jul. 1st, 2010 09:40 am (UTC)
Wow, I've never seen a picture of someone without a forehead before.
blueseaisland
Jun. 30th, 2010 08:35 pm (UTC)
He may not say a word but casting the wrong Sir Ilyn Payne could ruin some key scenes of GOT, so good to hear it is being taken seriously (and silently) :)
dougsbum
Jul. 1st, 2010 01:52 am (UTC)
I'm on the edge of my seat waiting to see who will be cast as Brienne. How goes the search Mr. Martin? I sometimes wish I could call her on the phone and tell her what a great person she is. While you review auditions for Brienne I suggest listening to Neil Young's "Heart of Gold", 'cause that's what you must be looking for!
grrm
Jul. 1st, 2010 06:18 am (UTC)
Uh... Brienne does not appear until A CLASH OF KINGS, so there is no search ongoing. We'll be looking for her second season. Assuming we get a second season. Come back in a year.

The same goes for Stannis, Melisandre, Maester Cressen, Shireen, Patchface, Pyat Pree, Xaro Xhoan Daxos, Quaithe, Qhorin Halfhand, Ygritte, Rattleshirt, and many more.
infinite_hiatus
Jul. 1st, 2010 09:46 am (UTC)
I started watching Deadwood last night, which I seem to remember was a favorite of yours. I'm not sure what the hell is going one yet, but I love the dark, gritty tone of the show. I really hope the GoT series can do something similar, especially those barely lit saloon scenes. I was pretending they were in an inn in Westeros (which now that I think of it was probably why I had no idea what was going on).
icy_zombie
Jul. 1st, 2010 06:21 pm (UTC)
Cool to hear George is so involved in this...but...is that a tiger cub he's holding in his picture!?
stillking
Jul. 3rd, 2010 03:19 am (UTC)

In my mind's eye, Ilyn Payne has always been (a taller leaner) Andrew Divoff. Scars, pockmarks and all.
stillking
Jul. 3rd, 2010 06:33 pm (UTC)

...and my wife has just suggested Ray Stevenson, though he would almost assuredly be too expensive for bit-part work.
jazmoore
Jul. 8th, 2010 08:14 am (UTC)
Casting for GOT
Just started the books, I love them. Now I find out there's an HBO show! Bravo sir! I would love to audition for any of the female roles especially Meera Reed, I would relish that part. Any suggestions or contact info you could share with me or my agent would be mightily appreciated Thanks for getting my imagination revved up.
~Jaz Moore
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