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Two Lords and a Sword

Hiya kids, hiya, hiya, hiya.

This time we have two lords and a knight.

The first never says a word in the books. The second gave up one lordship and received another. The third birthed a monkey, a pimple, and a loon.

The first flew by night to find the truth. The second is a merry man from the god of war. The third was a supervillain, and once ambled amongst oak trees and hollies, where he might have come across a golden rose.

Who are they?

EVENING UPDATE: Not bad, not bad. But I'm glad that I've been able to stump you for longer than it takes for my webpage to refresh. For a change. At of this moment (about 7:45 PM Santa Fe time), you've got the sword but not the lords. A few of you may be sniffing on the trail of another. The last... well, mea culpa, the clue there is really obscure.

Look for big casting news on the morrow. Lots of parts, not necessarily including these.


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Jul. 15th, 2010 07:40 pm (UTC)
Ser Ilyn Payne, Lord Mormont, and Ser Alliser Thorne are the characters, at least. Exciting!
Jul. 15th, 2010 07:57 pm (UTC)
I think the third one is possibly "The late Lord Frey." I can't remember his actual name because there are too dang many of them. Walder?
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Jul. 15th, 2010 07:43 pm (UTC)
Ilyn Payne... flew by night to find the truth... batman... Christian Bale...

Jul. 15th, 2010 07:56 pm (UTC)
i'm no good at these, i just wanted to say "hiya" back to you.

so, HIYA mr. martin! :)
Jul. 15th, 2010 08:01 pm (UTC)
For #2, I want to say Mark Strong who was/is in both Robin Hood and John Carter of Mars ... but he was also the supervillain Lord Blackstone in Sherlock Holmes, and may fit into the rest of the clues for #3.

That being said, book it! Mark Strong's in AGOT!
Jul. 15th, 2010 08:08 pm (UTC)
I had the same thought. If so, I'd vote for him being Sir Illyn. He's certainly intimidating enough. The other two roles, if I'm right about them, he's a little young for...
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Jul. 15th, 2010 08:03 pm (UTC)
Miguel Ferrer as Payne?
Miguel Ferrer was in "The Night Flier" as an investigative journalist tracking down a killer who flew on small planes (and flew himself). I could see him as Payne.
Jul. 15th, 2010 08:07 pm (UTC)
Mark Strong as Mormont? I'd have thought him too expensive.
Jul. 15th, 2010 08:14 pm (UTC)
Warren DeRosa as Allister Thorne?
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hmm - svan81 - Jul. 15th, 2010 08:15 pm (UTC) - Expand
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Jul. 15th, 2010 08:13 pm (UTC)
Not so sure about Ser Ilyn Payne. The hint is Two Lords and a Sword. And, unless I misremember, Ser Ilyn is not a lord. I agree fully w/ you about Mormont and Thorne, It's a stretch, but Jon Arryn never actually speaks in the books, his words are only mentioned by others, and his character may be portrayed in flashback sequences for the show. Who knows?
Jul. 15th, 2010 08:23 pm (UTC)
At one stage there was going to be a scene featuring Jon Arryn's death and Pycelle and Cersei's reaction to it, but this was cut from the pilot script. So maybe they are revisiting the concept?
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Jul. 15th, 2010 08:32 pm (UTC)
Karl Roden? Maybe as Lord Ramsay?
Jul. 15th, 2010 08:44 pm (UTC)
Whoops, by Ramsay I mean Roose Bolton. Got my Boltons confused.
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Jul. 15th, 2010 08:34 pm (UTC)
amazing.... this is probably the longest you have stumped people!
Jul. 15th, 2010 08:38 pm (UTC)
You may be right.

You guys are too good. Last few rounds, you were solving the clues in seconds. This time I made 'em a good deal harder.
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Jul. 15th, 2010 09:33 pm (UTC)
A quote from Ser Allise Thorne, in AGoT:

"Toad. Stone Head. Aurochs. Lover. Pimple. Monkey. Ser Loon."
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Jul. 15th, 2010 09:06 pm (UTC)
The third was a supervillain, and once ambled amongst oak trees and hollies, where he might have come across a golden rose.

I'm thinking someone from Hollyoaks again - like the guy who plays Loras (the Golden rose?)

Couldn't tell you who though - not something I'm familiar with
Jul. 15th, 2010 09:10 pm (UTC)
Read an interesting theory elsewhere (do not recall which site) that named Janos Slynt as the man that gave up one lordship to receive another. I will not expand upon this, so as not to reveal the plot, but sounds like this could indeed fill the the second clue.
Jul. 15th, 2010 09:54 pm (UTC)
The third is Ser Alliser Thorne and his nicknames. Pimple is Albett, Monkey (or the Mummer's Monkey) is Dareon and I'm not sure who 'Ser Loon' was. Maybe Pyp?

The other two are lords then. The one who gave up one lordship and received another is most likely Jeor Mormont, who gave up Lordship of Bear Island to be become Lord Commander of the Night's Watch. Janos Slynt was only a Lord once over, as he was a commoner elevated to Commander of the goldcloaks (and not a Lord Commander), so I'm guessing it's not him.

The first lord never says a word in the books. Not Ilyn Payne (not a lord), as the knight is Alliser Thorne. So it must be someone appearing in flashback? So Jon Arryn, or possibly Brandon Stark? Rhaegar does speak in flashbacks and dreams in the books, so not him (plus a prince rather than a lord). Also, the clue is 'BOOKS', not 'BOOK', so not Ser Beric (who doesn't speak in GoT but does in later books).
Jul. 15th, 2010 10:06 pm (UTC)
The Mummer's Monkey is Pyp, actually, not Dareon. I think Dareon must be Lover.
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Jul. 15th, 2010 10:00 pm (UTC)
"The first flew by night to find the truth."

I'm reading that going "Hmmm... wasn't there a movie or a series or something called "Nightflyers"... that sounds familiar..."

So I go to IMDB and look it up, and, oh, look, it was based on a novel written by some guy named George R. R. Martin. LOL!

(Whether this means anything or not, I dunno... but I was amused!)
Jul. 15th, 2010 10:02 pm (UTC)
Hm...Maybe "the god of war" is referring to the God of War video game. There's plenty of voice actors, but i'm not sure who is the "merry man", rhough. And I think(like someone else implied before me), that "...never says a word in the books." is a catch. I think that we're dealing with an unknown lord x, who is probably dead already when the story begins(Jon Arryn isn't a bad idea), Jeor Mormont, and Allister Thorne.
I dunno...Just my thoughts.
Jul. 15th, 2010 10:22 pm (UTC)
Hm...I got an idea for the third one(ser allister thorne). Willem Dafoe. He played a supervillian, he had his fair share of "oak trees and hollies"...Can't get through the golden rose though. Could be the award, which i don't know if he ever won..Or it's another film. And most importantly...I think he'd be great for the role of Allister Thorne.
Sry for the double post...Haven't quite mastered the livejournal yet. xD
Jul. 15th, 2010 10:25 pm (UTC)
The Winter is Coming boys and girls cracked one:

Derek Halligan as Ser Alliser Thorne.

Halligan was in four episodes of HOLLYOAKS, played Dr. Nightshade in 'Tonight We Fly' and is based in Belfast.

The others are proving much tougher.
Jul. 15th, 2010 10:28 pm (UTC)
they have David Fine on winter-is-coming for the 1st guess.
(no subject) - hippoiathanatoi - Jul. 16th, 2010 07:19 am (UTC) - Expand
Jul. 15th, 2010 10:34 pm (UTC)
David Fine, Greg Ellis, Derek Halligan
There you go!!!

David Fine, Greg Ellis, Derek Halligan

Jul. 15th, 2010 11:03 pm (UTC)
Ilyn Payne is not a lord. I think it is Jon Arryn as a flashback character.
Jul. 15th, 2010 11:50 pm (UTC)
Can't be Jon Arryn who never said a word...
Arryn's last words are incredibly compelling for a good chunk of GoT, so I doubt he would be classified as the character who "never says a word in the books."
Jul. 16th, 2010 01:53 am (UTC)
Re: Can't be Jon Arryn who never said a word...
He never 'says them' though. We just hear about them second-hand through other characters. There are characters who do speak in flashback (and we hear exactly what they're saying), like Lyanna Stark, Ser Arthur Dayne, Prince Rhaegar, King Aerys and so on, but not Jon Arryn.
Jul. 16th, 2010 06:01 am (UTC)
Michael Des Barres?


Was in the movie "Nightflyers" written by...

George R.R. Martin

Was in a band called:

Detective (Find the truth.)

I think this is the answer to the actor.

Now the question...who is the character?

(Looks like a possible Tywin for me...

I have an inkling for the word he doesn't say, but it may be a spoiler, so I'm leaving that for others to puzzle out.

Nothing is certain.)
Jul. 16th, 2010 02:18 pm (UTC)
Would be remiss if I didn't mention that other folks are suggesting John Standing from the same movie as Jon Arryn: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0822062/

Jul. 16th, 2010 11:39 am (UTC)
Alan(-a-)Dale as Tywin
I've posted it on WiC but I might as well post it here. The "merry man" clue made me think of Alan Dale, Alan-a-Dale being one of Robin Hood's merry men. Can't link him to any god of war though (well... I do have couple of far-fetched theories).
And it's been noted elsewhere that Tywin gave up his lordship as a Hand (when Jaime became one of the Kingsguard) and received it again later from King Joffrey.
Jul. 16th, 2010 06:05 pm (UTC)
Re: Alan(-a-)Dale as Tywin
I've been hoping for this casting since the series was announced. I think I've even posted here how much Alan Dale's gravitas suits the role of Tywin.

Plus, I mean...
Tywin: http://www.rankopedia.com/CandidatePix/1314.gif
Alan Dale (Spamalot): http://images.broadwayworld.com/upload/25603/tn-500_09.jpg
Jul. 16th, 2010 04:25 pm (UTC)
-The second gave up one lordship and received another
-The second is a merry man from the god of war

The latest guess by Pence
would be that the clues fits Bronn.

Bronn passed over a lordship from Tyrion, but eventually got one from Cersei by marrying Lollys and offing (garth?) lord coughs a lot.

Now for the actor
Kevan Durand played a merry man, goes by The merry man, and was in a tv episode entitled mars attacks (god of war, mars?) Far stretch...lol
Others have tossed about Dominic West and James Purefoy. No solid AHAs! yet.
Jul. 16th, 2010 05:13 pm (UTC)
Though I haven't 100% been sold on the Bronn theory. Mostly because I feel your clue fits The Old Bear.
Jul. 16th, 2010 05:08 pm (UTC)
Just a thought, but could the first lord be a reference to a Dothraki horselord? Perhaps one of Drogo's bloodriders...
Jul. 16th, 2010 08:04 pm (UTC)
Ray Winstone as Mormont.
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