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Talking About the Dance

Kong is dead. That is to say, A DANCE WITH DRAGONS is complete, and moving inexorably towards its July 12 publication date.

Yes, I know. Old news. I've announced that before. And since finally completing A DANCE WITH DRAGONS some weeks ago, and announcing it here, I have been working on... drum roll, please... A DANCE WITH DRAGONS!

That's the way it goes with books. You finish, and breathe a sigh of relief... and then you get back to work. There's always more to be done. Your editor reads it and gives you notes. You make revisions, corrections. A copyeditor goes over the text, finds errors, points out contradictions and inconsistencies, raises queries. You fix some, stet others. Friends and fans gulp down the book, and find mistakes your editors, copyeditors, and proofreaders all missed. You fix those too, as time allows. Then there's the appendix to prepare. And then the appendix needs to be edited, proofread, corrected... and on and on it goes...

But now even that is behind me. Copyediting, appendix, proofs, corrections, all that stuff. The book tour has been planned (a few details yet to be worked out), the marketing plans are in place... and I can finally say that Kong is not just merely dead, but really most sincerely dead.

Now that the dust is settling at last, I thought I'd take a deep breath and look back at what a long strange trip this has been. If the process interests you, read on. But beware -- past this point, there may be some SPOILERS lurking amidst my discussion. Read on at your own peril.

First, some numbers. The final draft of A DANCE WITH DRAGONS came in at 1510 manuscript pages (which count does not include acknowledgments, dedication, or appendix). I write with WordStar on a DOS machine, so that number is my own page count. When my editors at Bantam translated my WordStar files to Word, the page count expanded to 1540 pages, but I prefer to use my own counts, for the sake of consistency. At 1510 pages, A DANCE WITH DRAGONS come in just slightly shorter than A STORM OF SWORDS, which was 1521 pages in manuscript, with the same software, settings, and margins.

At one point late in the process DANCE was considerably longer. The page count had gone beyond 1600 and was creeping up toward 1700, to my alarm. (At 1700 pages the book could not have been published in a single volume). Several things happened to bring it back down.

First, my editors and I made some decisions as to where to end this book which involved shifting a few chapters back into the next volume, THE WINDS OF WINTER. With a series like A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE, there are always judgment calls to make as to where to end one book and begin the next, since you're really dealing with one long story. Does this scene work best at the end of one book or the beginning of the next? Should this character go out with a cliffhanger or with some sort of resolution (be it permanent or temporary)? And so on. ANd so forth.

Second, I did my sweat. That's a technique I learned in Hollywood, where my scripts were always too long. "This is too long," the studio would say. "Trim it by eight pages." But I hated to lose any good stuff -- scenes, dialogue exchanges, bits of action -- so instead I would go through the script trimming and tightening line by line and word by word, cutting out the fat and leaving the muscle. I found the process so valuable that I've done the same with all my books since leaving LA. It's the last stage of the process. Finish the book, then go through it, cutting, cutting, cutting. It produces a tighter, stronger text, I feel. In the case of A DANCE WITH DRAGONS, my sweat -- most of it performed after we announced the book's publication date but before I delivered the final chapters -- brought the page count down almost eighty pages all by itself.

So what's left? Plenty. A huge book, just a hair shorter than A STORM OF SWORDS, as I said. The final count shows that we've got 73 chapters, told through the eyes of (gulp) sixteen different viewpoint characters. I could tell you who they are, but then I'd have to kill you.

Actually, though, it might be easier to tell you who they aren't. Sansa, Sam, Aeron Damphair, Arianne, and Brienne have no chapters in A DANCE WITH DRAGONS. Several of those characters had chapters written, completed, and polished that have been moved into THE WINDS OF WINTER. Part of that editorial process I mentioned up above.

Back when I split A FEAST FOR CROWS into two books, I said in my infamous afterword, "Meanwhile, Back at the Wall..." that Tyrion, Dany, and Jon Snow would be back in the next book, and so they are. Those three characters dominate A DANCE WITH DRAGONS. Out of 73 chapters, 35 concern their exploits; sixteen viewpoints, aye, but just three of them make up almost half of the book. The next largest chunk o' chapters belongs to an old POV character who has been missing for a couple of books, but now returns to us... rather the worse for wear.

Yes, some of the characters who were featured as POVs in A FEAST FOR CROWS will reappear, since the timeframe covered by DANCE extends well beyond that of FEAST. Tyrion is not the only Lannister with a viewpoint. Cersei and Jaime will have chapters as well, though... be warned... not a lot of them. Arya is also on hand. And we'll check in with Bran and his companions as well, on their long cold trek beyond the Wall. There are two Dornish POVs (one old, one new), and three ironborn(all previous POVs).

And there are some new viewpoint characters. Some of them are new CHARACTERS, introduced for the first time in this book. Others are established characters, but new VIEWPOINTS; they have been around, but you've never gone inside their heads before. Once, a few years back, I said that I only meant to introduce one new viewpoint character in the book. Which just goes to show why I should never sound off about these things before the book is done. In the end, I wound up with.... hmmm, let me count 'em... one, two, three... ah... FOUR new viewpoint characters. And that doesn't even include the Prologue and Epilogue. So...

What I can say? At least part of the infamous Meereenese knot was a viewpoint problem. (Not all of it, no, a lot had to do with chronology and causation, but some of it was a POV question). Introducing a new POV helped me resolve those problems, and made for a better book. And in the end, making a better book trumps all other concerns.

Despite the various looney theories out there that claimed (1) I had finished the book years ago and have been sitting on a completed manuscript waiting for the opportune time to release it in order to make more money, or (2) I had given up writing the novel, or hit some terrible writer's block, and made no progress since 2005, the truth is just as I have releated in this blog... I have been working on DANCE all along, if rather more slowly that I would have liked. I had good bursts where I got a lot done. I had rough patches, where I struggled, and even a few periods where I was doing more rewriting than writing.

Over the years I've sent various partial manuscripts to my editors, to show them where I was at that particular point in time. Now that the race is finally run, I went back and took another look at some of those old files. The page counts given in what follows refer only to COMPLETE CHAPTERS in final draft form... or what I thought was "complete" and "final" at that time. In each case, I had many pages of additional chapters roughed out or partially written, but those pages were not included in my count.

The earliest partial in my files dates from January 2006. At that point I had 542 finished pages. Now, recall, it was June 2005 when I divided A FEAST FOR CROWS into two parallel books, and wrote my infamous (and, in retrospect, ill-considered) afterword "Meanwhile, Back at the Wall..." A FEAST FOR CROWS, as delivered, was 1063 pages in manuscript. At the time of the split, looking at all the Tyrion and Daenerys material that I'd removed, I figured I only had another 400 odd pages to go to have another book of equal length, which was likely what prompted me to say the next book would be along in a year. Famous last words, those. Never again.

Obviously, it took a lot longer than that. After I wrote that, I ended up spending much of the rest of 2005 doing promotion for FEAST. An American book tour. A Canadian book tour. A British book tour. A visit to Italy for the Lucca Games Show. All great, but all exhausting. I did get back home in between, and got some writing done, but probably not much. That page count of 542 finished pages in January 2006 could not have been much different from what I'd had in June 2005, when I split the books.

And the year or so that followed proved the folly of my prediction. The next partial I sent to Bantam is dated October 2007, and it is 472 pages long. Yes, in the year and a half between the two partials, I had managed to UNwrite some seventy pages. I was doing a lot more revision and rewriting -- and restructuring -- during this period than I was making forward progress.

But then I hit a good spell. In March 2008 I delivered another partial, and this one was 596 pages long. In May 2008, another: 684 pages this time. In December 2008, 774 pages, After that progress remained slow, but fairly steady. I won't say I wasn't still tearing things out, rewriting, restructuring, changing my mind... I was... but I was forging ahead as well, as the partials I sent to my editors testify. In September 2009, I sent them 998 pages. In January 2010 I passed the 1000 pages mark, and delivered 1038 pages. Now I was picking up some steam again. June of 2010, a partial of 1028 pages. August of 2010, 1332 pages, December of 2010, 1412 pages. By March of 2011, Kong was screeching and the biplanes were in the air, and I sent in the final partial, which weighed in at 1571 pages... but I still had some incomplete chapters, some that remained very rough, some that I didn't know whether to include or not. It was those that pushed the final count over 1600 and up near 1700 before the editorial changes and final sweat that I've detailed up above.

Kong, you were one mother of a monkey, but I'm glad you're off my back.

Some day, maybe, some student of fantasy literature may want to peruse all of these partial manuscripts, and document how A DANCE WITH DRAGONS changed over the years. Every time I printed out a copy to send to my editors, I made a second and sent it to the Special Collections at Texas A&M University, where my papers are kept. Maybe someone will get a master's thesis out of my struggles with this book. And who knows, maybe in the end he or she will conclude that I was making the book worse and worse all along.

But I don't think so. DANCE took a lot longer than I wanted it to, but I think it's a better tale for all the time and blood and sweat that went into it.

In the end, though, it will be you guys who are the judge of that.

Enjoy the read. Me, I've got another book to write. Yes, climb right on my back... and what a cute little monkey you are...


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Daniel Griffin
May. 20th, 2011 03:40 pm (UTC)
I am so excited and cannot wait!
I have pre-ordered DWD the day you announced a publication date for it, it may have been a while but I am sure it will more than please. I even have subscribed to HBO solely for GOT, siting the April 17th (my birthday) debut date as the best Birthday gift I could get. Thank you for sharing a bit of the writing process with us.
May. 20th, 2011 03:41 pm (UTC)
That unresolved question..
..that has been nagging me since GOT..so does Mord ever get to go to King´s Landing to get the full reward from Tyrion?
May. 20th, 2011 03:43 pm (UTC)
Yay! Congrats!

A question from my Aggie fiance, who is currently grievously injured and bedridden: why Texas A&M for the special collections? (And when will these files be opened to the general public?)
May. 20th, 2011 04:37 pm (UTC)
Texas A&M has one of the largest and best SF and fantasy collections in the country, and the physical facility where the papers and books are stored is outstanding.
May. 20th, 2011 03:49 pm (UTC)
Be glad it wasn't Ser Gregor Clegane!
May. 20th, 2011 03:50 pm (UTC)
Sometimes I feel like the only guy in the world whose favorite character is Davos Seaworth. I hope he doesn't get too short shrifted!

Or, uh, short-headed. *gulp*
May. 20th, 2011 03:58 pm (UTC)
Sandor "The Hound"
Please...I'm on my knees, believe me...PLEASE tell me Sandor is not dead!
Not mentioned in POVS, I'm wondering about that lovely bastard ;)
May. 20th, 2011 05:01 pm (UTC)
Re: Sandor "The Hound"
Yeah, I hope he just left his helmet and wandered off alone, but I got the feeling from Feast that he really was dead and buried. I was a bit upset that we weren't there to "see" his death.
Re: Sandor "The Hound" - luke_sun_tzu - May. 21st, 2011 07:33 am (UTC) - Expand
May. 20th, 2011 04:20 pm (UTC)
<3 * infinity.

May. 20th, 2011 04:21 pm (UTC)
Well done! Can't wait to read it!
May. 20th, 2011 04:25 pm (UTC)
Congratulations, well deserved.

And thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you!
May. 20th, 2011 04:32 pm (UTC)
Congrats, good work, and good luck on the long road.
May. 20th, 2011 04:48 pm (UTC)
Most looking forward to the Jaime and Barristan POVs. And hope whoever the Dornish POV is might be in the company of Prince Doran, he's become one of my favourite characters.

Can't wait!
Sarah Thrower
May. 20th, 2011 05:00 pm (UTC)
Texas A&M you say? ROADTRIP!!! ;)
May. 20th, 2011 05:00 pm (UTC)
Thanks for this. I really find it interesting and appreciate that you took the time to fill us in on this process. We've been with you in spirit every step of the way (except for a few assholes who don't deserve to read your books).
May. 20th, 2011 08:37 pm (UTC)
On another note, not sure if you saw that Jeffrey Catherine Jones passed away yesterday.


Very upsetting as she was relatively young still.
(no subject) - grrm - May. 22nd, 2011 04:53 pm (UTC) - Expand
May. 20th, 2011 05:01 pm (UTC)
And to think you will be writing The Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring with a similar process... I cannot imagine how you do it. Hopefully, the next 2 won't vex you as much or cause a split to a new volume (yikes)!

We do love your effort to bring forth what you deem as your best work. We thank you, sir!
May. 20th, 2011 05:05 pm (UTC)
we love you george!!
thank you for giving your time for us, the readers, to enjoy such an amazing piece of art!
May. 20th, 2011 05:12 pm (UTC)
Interesting read, thanks!
May. 20th, 2011 05:22 pm (UTC)
Great news & congratulations George. I look forward to picking up the book in July.

May. 20th, 2011 05:43 pm (UTC)
I am so excited. I have made it known that all I want for my birthday is A Dance With Dragons, even though it comes out some two weeks AFTER my birthday lol. I can't wait!
Benji Moreno
May. 20th, 2011 06:02 pm (UTC)
Great book, I expect. Great writer, I know.
May. 20th, 2011 06:06 pm (UTC)
I don't care how long the wait was for this new book, I already know it was well worth it. I'm waiting for July on tenterhooks and am trying to get the fantasy fans I know to read your series in time for this new release.

Anyway, I want to say congratulations on killing the beast and a heartfelt thank you for bringing such a wonderful world into my life.
May. 20th, 2011 06:21 pm (UTC)
Thank you very much, Master! :)
May. 20th, 2011 06:38 pm (UTC)
Slightly off topic
I have to first say WOW... WOW!!! Thank you so much for such an insightful account of the process, I loved reading about it. I must admit that I have been horribly impatient about this book but also supportive of your taking the time you did to make sure it is the best it can be. I have already set up my pre-order with Amazon to get this the day it comes out, such a wonderful bonus Amazon has.
However, I have 2 questions for you and wasnt aware of any where else to ask them so, here goes...

1) Will there be any Southeastern locations on your book tour OR are there any Cons you are attending in the southeastern states?

2) Is there anywhere I can find hard back copies for the first 4 books? Amazon doesnt seem to have them all in HB. I am new to the series, a good friend recommended it to me about 2yrs ago and I cannot stop raving about it to friends, family, co-workers, random strangers on the street... anyone who will stand still long enough for me to ask, "Hey, have you ever heard of George RR Martin?" However, I only have the paperback editions and since Dance will be in hardback, I would like to match the others to it.

I really appreciate your time, all the hard work you put forth to entertain us... your books now have a special place in my "read once a year" shelf.. a very small group consisting of Tolkien, Marion Zimmer Bradley, Anne Rice, and now YOU.
May. 20th, 2011 06:39 pm (UTC)
Thank you.
As Neil said, "GRRM is not your bitch."

I'm sure you are more relieved than anyone to have finally finished this one. I can't wait to read it :)
May. 20th, 2011 06:46 pm (UTC)
Kong Is One Heavy Beast!
Just reading your lines about the amount of work and effort put into this whole process makes me shudder. Who in their right mind would want to go through this!? The answer in short is: a truly talented individual! Somebody who is passionate, has an incredible vision and originality and one damn knack for captivating people with his imagination...namely you!

I want to add my congratulations to all those the other posters have bestowed on you! Thank you for your work and dedication not only to the "A Song Of Ice And Fire" saga but to your fans and admirers. HBO's "Game Of Thrones" has proven to be an extraordinary visual companion to the books, a project manned by people who have seemingly and utterly been inspired by this amazing creation of yours!

I can't think of a more precious gift than sharing one's imagination and creativity with others! You are generous indeed sir!

You probably have already heard this ad nauseam, and my postings do tend to be (to my own shame) syrupy and seemingly created by a cheerleading gallery, but I wish you good luck and continued success and all the best ahead!

My advice on that little new monkey on your shoulder...slay it sir, slay it without delay, lest another Kong is in the making! LOL...Be well always!
May. 20th, 2011 08:52 pm (UTC)
Thanks so much for sharing so much insight into the process! Can't wait to read it!
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