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Talking About the Dance

Kong is dead. That is to say, A DANCE WITH DRAGONS is complete, and moving inexorably towards its July 12 publication date.

Yes, I know. Old news. I've announced that before. And since finally completing A DANCE WITH DRAGONS some weeks ago, and announcing it here, I have been working on... drum roll, please... A DANCE WITH DRAGONS!

That's the way it goes with books. You finish, and breathe a sigh of relief... and then you get back to work. There's always more to be done. Your editor reads it and gives you notes. You make revisions, corrections. A copyeditor goes over the text, finds errors, points out contradictions and inconsistencies, raises queries. You fix some, stet others. Friends and fans gulp down the book, and find mistakes your editors, copyeditors, and proofreaders all missed. You fix those too, as time allows. Then there's the appendix to prepare. And then the appendix needs to be edited, proofread, corrected... and on and on it goes...

But now even that is behind me. Copyediting, appendix, proofs, corrections, all that stuff. The book tour has been planned (a few details yet to be worked out), the marketing plans are in place... and I can finally say that Kong is not just merely dead, but really most sincerely dead.

Now that the dust is settling at last, I thought I'd take a deep breath and look back at what a long strange trip this has been. If the process interests you, read on. But beware -- past this point, there may be some SPOILERS lurking amidst my discussion. Read on at your own peril.

First, some numbers. The final draft of A DANCE WITH DRAGONS came in at 1510 manuscript pages (which count does not include acknowledgments, dedication, or appendix). I write with WordStar on a DOS machine, so that number is my own page count. When my editors at Bantam translated my WordStar files to Word, the page count expanded to 1540 pages, but I prefer to use my own counts, for the sake of consistency. At 1510 pages, A DANCE WITH DRAGONS come in just slightly shorter than A STORM OF SWORDS, which was 1521 pages in manuscript, with the same software, settings, and margins.

At one point late in the process DANCE was considerably longer. The page count had gone beyond 1600 and was creeping up toward 1700, to my alarm. (At 1700 pages the book could not have been published in a single volume). Several things happened to bring it back down.

First, my editors and I made some decisions as to where to end this book which involved shifting a few chapters back into the next volume, THE WINDS OF WINTER. With a series like A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE, there are always judgment calls to make as to where to end one book and begin the next, since you're really dealing with one long story. Does this scene work best at the end of one book or the beginning of the next? Should this character go out with a cliffhanger or with some sort of resolution (be it permanent or temporary)? And so on. ANd so forth.

Second, I did my sweat. That's a technique I learned in Hollywood, where my scripts were always too long. "This is too long," the studio would say. "Trim it by eight pages." But I hated to lose any good stuff -- scenes, dialogue exchanges, bits of action -- so instead I would go through the script trimming and tightening line by line and word by word, cutting out the fat and leaving the muscle. I found the process so valuable that I've done the same with all my books since leaving LA. It's the last stage of the process. Finish the book, then go through it, cutting, cutting, cutting. It produces a tighter, stronger text, I feel. In the case of A DANCE WITH DRAGONS, my sweat -- most of it performed after we announced the book's publication date but before I delivered the final chapters -- brought the page count down almost eighty pages all by itself.

So what's left? Plenty. A huge book, just a hair shorter than A STORM OF SWORDS, as I said. The final count shows that we've got 73 chapters, told through the eyes of (gulp) sixteen different viewpoint characters. I could tell you who they are, but then I'd have to kill you.

Actually, though, it might be easier to tell you who they aren't. Sansa, Sam, Aeron Damphair, Arianne, and Brienne have no chapters in A DANCE WITH DRAGONS. Several of those characters had chapters written, completed, and polished that have been moved into THE WINDS OF WINTER. Part of that editorial process I mentioned up above.

Back when I split A FEAST FOR CROWS into two books, I said in my infamous afterword, "Meanwhile, Back at the Wall..." that Tyrion, Dany, and Jon Snow would be back in the next book, and so they are. Those three characters dominate A DANCE WITH DRAGONS. Out of 73 chapters, 35 concern their exploits; sixteen viewpoints, aye, but just three of them make up almost half of the book. The next largest chunk o' chapters belongs to an old POV character who has been missing for a couple of books, but now returns to us... rather the worse for wear.

Yes, some of the characters who were featured as POVs in A FEAST FOR CROWS will reappear, since the timeframe covered by DANCE extends well beyond that of FEAST. Tyrion is not the only Lannister with a viewpoint. Cersei and Jaime will have chapters as well, though... be warned... not a lot of them. Arya is also on hand. And we'll check in with Bran and his companions as well, on their long cold trek beyond the Wall. There are two Dornish POVs (one old, one new), and three ironborn(all previous POVs).

And there are some new viewpoint characters. Some of them are new CHARACTERS, introduced for the first time in this book. Others are established characters, but new VIEWPOINTS; they have been around, but you've never gone inside their heads before. Once, a few years back, I said that I only meant to introduce one new viewpoint character in the book. Which just goes to show why I should never sound off about these things before the book is done. In the end, I wound up with.... hmmm, let me count 'em... one, two, three... ah... FOUR new viewpoint characters. And that doesn't even include the Prologue and Epilogue. So...

What I can say? At least part of the infamous Meereenese knot was a viewpoint problem. (Not all of it, no, a lot had to do with chronology and causation, but some of it was a POV question). Introducing a new POV helped me resolve those problems, and made for a better book. And in the end, making a better book trumps all other concerns.

Despite the various looney theories out there that claimed (1) I had finished the book years ago and have been sitting on a completed manuscript waiting for the opportune time to release it in order to make more money, or (2) I had given up writing the novel, or hit some terrible writer's block, and made no progress since 2005, the truth is just as I have releated in this blog... I have been working on DANCE all along, if rather more slowly that I would have liked. I had good bursts where I got a lot done. I had rough patches, where I struggled, and even a few periods where I was doing more rewriting than writing.

Over the years I've sent various partial manuscripts to my editors, to show them where I was at that particular point in time. Now that the race is finally run, I went back and took another look at some of those old files. The page counts given in what follows refer only to COMPLETE CHAPTERS in final draft form... or what I thought was "complete" and "final" at that time. In each case, I had many pages of additional chapters roughed out or partially written, but those pages were not included in my count.

The earliest partial in my files dates from January 2006. At that point I had 542 finished pages. Now, recall, it was June 2005 when I divided A FEAST FOR CROWS into two parallel books, and wrote my infamous (and, in retrospect, ill-considered) afterword "Meanwhile, Back at the Wall..." A FEAST FOR CROWS, as delivered, was 1063 pages in manuscript. At the time of the split, looking at all the Tyrion and Daenerys material that I'd removed, I figured I only had another 400 odd pages to go to have another book of equal length, which was likely what prompted me to say the next book would be along in a year. Famous last words, those. Never again.

Obviously, it took a lot longer than that. After I wrote that, I ended up spending much of the rest of 2005 doing promotion for FEAST. An American book tour. A Canadian book tour. A British book tour. A visit to Italy for the Lucca Games Show. All great, but all exhausting. I did get back home in between, and got some writing done, but probably not much. That page count of 542 finished pages in January 2006 could not have been much different from what I'd had in June 2005, when I split the books.

And the year or so that followed proved the folly of my prediction. The next partial I sent to Bantam is dated October 2007, and it is 472 pages long. Yes, in the year and a half between the two partials, I had managed to UNwrite some seventy pages. I was doing a lot more revision and rewriting -- and restructuring -- during this period than I was making forward progress.

But then I hit a good spell. In March 2008 I delivered another partial, and this one was 596 pages long. In May 2008, another: 684 pages this time. In December 2008, 774 pages, After that progress remained slow, but fairly steady. I won't say I wasn't still tearing things out, rewriting, restructuring, changing my mind... I was... but I was forging ahead as well, as the partials I sent to my editors testify. In September 2009, I sent them 998 pages. In January 2010 I passed the 1000 pages mark, and delivered 1038 pages. Now I was picking up some steam again. June of 2010, a partial of 1028 pages. August of 2010, 1332 pages, December of 2010, 1412 pages. By March of 2011, Kong was screeching and the biplanes were in the air, and I sent in the final partial, which weighed in at 1571 pages... but I still had some incomplete chapters, some that remained very rough, some that I didn't know whether to include or not. It was those that pushed the final count over 1600 and up near 1700 before the editorial changes and final sweat that I've detailed up above.

Kong, you were one mother of a monkey, but I'm glad you're off my back.

Some day, maybe, some student of fantasy literature may want to peruse all of these partial manuscripts, and document how A DANCE WITH DRAGONS changed over the years. Every time I printed out a copy to send to my editors, I made a second and sent it to the Special Collections at Texas A&M University, where my papers are kept. Maybe someone will get a master's thesis out of my struggles with this book. And who knows, maybe in the end he or she will conclude that I was making the book worse and worse all along.

But I don't think so. DANCE took a lot longer than I wanted it to, but I think it's a better tale for all the time and blood and sweat that went into it.

In the end, though, it will be you guys who are the judge of that.

Enjoy the read. Me, I've got another book to write. Yes, climb right on my back... and what a cute little monkey you are...


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May. 20th, 2011 08:58 am (UTC)
Thank you for this message, very interesting indeed! And for the book!

I am re-reading the whole series now in anticipation of a new book. I'm in the midst of "Storm of Swords" now. How many things I forgot for these years since I read it last time. :)
May. 20th, 2011 09:04 am (UTC)
You had a finished script since 2005? I bet it was resting in a city near the capital of Pakistan and behind the scenes pictures of the fake moon landing were pinned to it.

Is the POV returning after a long time part of the other groups you listed (let's say for example: part of the 3 ironborn...)?
May. 20th, 2011 09:06 am (UTC)
Thank you, George <3
for the book
for the explanation you've given
but mostly for being who you are

PS: I wish I was that student... maybe in a future life I'll be there angain in Westeros... and what a marvellous life it would be!!!! (I cross my fingers for that... but if you ever need someone studying it NOW, I'm well avaliable, just give me time to get on the airplane!!!)
Rob Volz
May. 20th, 2011 09:16 am (UTC)
Illegitimi non carborundum
I know its trite, but what the fuck isn't anymore?


Show's been amazing, can't wait to see the next episode. Also can't wait to see your episode, I've heard bad things happen to good people.

if Dolorous Edd dies, please don"t make me kill you
May. 20th, 2011 09:25 am (UTC)
Thank you very much for sharing this analysis with us. I was asking for it in a comment to a previous NaB post, so I couldn't be more glad for it.

Do you think the huge amount of material already done for TWoW will lead to a 8 books saga, in the end, or is the 7 book idea holding? I'd prefer 7 books (7 gods, 7 kingdoms in Westeros, etc.) but if the story still grows bigger...
Oliver Schmieding
May. 20th, 2011 09:25 am (UTC)
i really appreciate this 'making of', thank you for the peek at the man behind the curtain through the steam clouds and the green flames ;)

on a different note: did you ever notice that NOT A SINGLE ONE of your readers, throughout the years , amidst all the bitchin' and complaining, never ever even so much as considered the possibility that ADWD would/will be less than overwhelmingly great? achievement unlocked --> right to wear a smug smile ;)
May. 20th, 2011 09:27 am (UTC)
Hip Hip, HUZZAH! A fascinating look at the process. I am immensely looking forward to getting started on the best gift I will getting (myself) for my July 12th birthday. Thank you in advance!


PS The HBO series is FAB!
May. 20th, 2011 09:28 am (UTC)
Cheers to you, sir. My hat's off. May your dedication shine, and inspiration be plentiful!
May. 20th, 2011 09:36 am (UTC)
God I look forward to your books. THanks for a new and LONG one. I know editing tightens the tale but I am jonesing the hours I will spend reading the new tale. The diversion from everyday life is sooooo appreciated. I see so much dysfunction and strife in the ER daily, I can't tell you what your books and lately the HBO series has meant to me. Come home, pick up a novel or hit up the DVR and let the story wash away my daily reality and the common man's whining. Keep the story hard and suprising! Take me to a place where life is more difficult and people's struggle trumps anyting in today's world (if possible). What a gift you have.
My sincere and deep appreciation!
Alberto Zaragoza
May. 20th, 2011 09:39 am (UTC)
The genius of hard work
To me, the most revealing insight of your post is that you're not a genius. At least not as shown in TV and movies, that someone sits down in front of a piano without ever having played one and voila! He immediately outclasses all the other dedicated, hard-working, pathetic piano players.

That just doesn't happen in real life.

I attended a public high school in Spain but learned English by reading English language websites virtually every day since I was 13. Average has been about well over an hour per day so it's been thousands of hours answering posts, arguing, debating, watching presentations and now watching Game of Thrones. If someone asks me a method for learning English in three weeks, sorry, I don't know how to do that!

It works the same way por professional chess players. It turns out that, even for some young talents, they had spent many years practising before they really started hitting the stride. And even after becoming world-class players, if they try to play another game, they're mediocre. Why? Their mental move database is restricted to chess.

And your work in ASOIAF is so amazing because you have focused on one story for the last 20 years, and put a monumental effort of writing, unwriting, rearranging, etc. to ensure that it was absolutely amazing. It would have been easy to release ADWD in 2008 and explain readers that characters time-travel thanks to a magician. You did not do that. In the end, nobody will care whether ADWD was published in 2008 or 2011. Lord of the Rings coul've been written in 1970, or in 1920, or hundreds of years ago. People don't know and don't care.

If I'm sincere the first three books are the best novels I've read in my life. The fourth, well, I'm being sincere, it was not at the same level. Good, but not ASOIAF good. And I already preordered ADWD so let's find out what kind of book it is!

Thank you and congrats
May. 20th, 2011 09:46 am (UTC)
Thanks for this story, Maestro, it's co compassional. :)

I hope your new little monkey would do ok, as you'd feed it well. ;)
May. 20th, 2011 09:54 am (UTC)
Fascinating. Thanks for sharing this "making of" info and look forward to reading the book.
May. 20th, 2011 10:00 am (UTC)
Looking forward to Dance! I'm sure it will be great. Good luck with the new monkey.
Roger Rocamora
May. 20th, 2011 10:10 am (UTC)
Many thanks, George. For your effort fighting big monkeys in our behalf.
May. 20th, 2011 10:10 am (UTC)
Thanks for sharing your plight. To me, it sounds most daunting. I think I would rather solve math problems. Anyway, most of us know that you are constantly working on your tale. Whether you are physically writing it down or working things out in your head. Thanks for all the great words. I love your books!
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