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Reunions and Reboots

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Last night I returned to one of my old haunts from my Hollywood years... and shared a wonderful reunion dinner with some old friends from my days on the staff at BEAUTY AND THE BEAST. Some of them are folks I have kept in touch with regularly over the intervening years. Others I had not seen or spoken to since the show ended. Ron Perlman (Vincent), Linda Hamilton (Catherine), and Armin Shimmerman (Pascal) were there, along with composer Don Davis, producer David Schwartz, my fellow writers Alex Gansa and Howard Gordon (the Lads) and their wives, and of course B&B's creator and showrunner, Ron Koslow (who does not look to have aged a day since the show ended, and surely must have a portrait in his attic). We shared some wine and some memories, got caught up with each other, laughed a lot, drank a few toasts to the friends and colleagues no longer with us, and vowed to make the reunion an annual event.

A great time, which brought back vivid memories of a good time in my life. Very fitting, actually, since I'd made this visit to LA for the Emmy Awards... and it was as a writer/ producer on BEAUTY AND THE BEAST that I got my first two Emmy nominations. (We lost both years. But it's an honor just to be nominated, yadda yadda).

Inevitably, one of the items of table conversation was the recent announcement that BEAUTY AND THE BEAST may be returning to the airwaves. Actually, there are TWO new BEAUTY AND THE BEAST shows in the works. One, under development for ABC, is based on the original fairy tale, and presumably will have a medieval European setting. The other, however, is a reboot of our own show.

You can read bout it here:http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/cw-developing-own-beauty-beast-236153

Now that you've read that, you know just as much about the reboot as I do. Actually, you know just as much about the reboot as anyone at our reunion dinner did. All of us had seen the story, in the REPORTER or on the internet, but none of us had been contacted by CBS or CW or any of the folks doing this new version. Just sayin'.

To be honest, I have very mixed feelings about this announcement. I am proud of the work I did on BEAUTY AND THE BEAST, I learned a lot on the show, and I have a huge amount of affection for Vincent, Catherine, Father, Diana, and all the other characters we created in our fantasy kingdom under the streets of Manhattan (some of which were my own humble contributions). I love the idea of introducing a new generation of television viewers to the tunnel world and its denizens. After the original show was cancelled, all of us nursed the dream that B&B would return one day (how not? we had such a fabulous fanbase). A feature film was the dream, and for a while it seemed as if that would happen... but it never came to pass, years and decades went by, and we all moved on.

And now this. A reboot. Well, okay. I wish them luck, although generally speaking, I am not a fan of reboots. I don't know the writers they have selected, but they seem to have good credentials. I hope they've seen the original series. I hope they love it as much as we do. I hope they keep the fantasy, the whole tunnel world, not just the Beast. I hope they keep Father and Mouse and Jamie and Pascal and all the other characters we peopled the tunnels with. And I hope they keep the poetry: the sonnets, the readings from Shelley and Keats and Kipling, the deep love of books and words and literature that was so much a part of Vincent.

Most of all, I hope they keep it smart.

But I must admit, the announcement makes me nervous. The new version will "modernize and CW-up" the love story, it says here, as well as adding a "procedural twist." I haven't watched enough shows on the CW to know what "CW-up" really means in this context, but the phrase rings ominously in my ears. And "modernize?" Uh... well, set it in 2012, sure... but part of the appeal of BEAUTY AND THE BEAST is the timelessness of the underlying love story.

But we'll see. (Or we won't, this is only a script at this stage, not even a pilot). Maybe this will be another BATTLESTAR GALACTICA, where the reboot is a hundred times better than the original. Or at least a STAR TREK, where the comparative merits of the original show and the new one can be debated.

But I do pity the actors they cast to play Vincent and Catherine and Father. Ron and Linda and Roy are going to be tough, tough acts to follow.

Comments

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[info]notthebuddha wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2011 03:27 am (UTC)
Maybe the "procedural twist" involves police work.

BEAUTY & BEAST: SUBTERRANEAN VICTIMS UNIT donk-donk!
[info]nutmeg3 wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2011 03:36 am (UTC)
Nooooooo! I can't tell you how sad that reboot announcement makes me. B&tB remains one of my favorite shows ever. It was a weekly descent into magic, and the idea of a CW'ed-up version makes me shudder. I'd love to see new viewers discover it, too, but isn't that why the Flying Spaghetti Monster created DVD's?
[info]laurasue wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2011 03:47 am (UTC)
I read about this a while back and had wondered if you were going to be affiliated in any way. I have to say, it seems exceedingly shady to give a show a re-boot without involving anyone from the original - even if it's just to pick brains a little.

Actually, now that I think about it, it sounds like something Cersei would do. Ouch. Tough break.
[info]Adam Kane wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2011 04:01 am (UTC)
Song of Ice and Fire
Honestly, can't stand your politics but I admire everything else about you (including your love of football). Love the world you have created and believe you are truly one of the greatest writers of our time. You have surpassed Tolkien and Frank Herbert in my opinion and hope you keep up the fantastic work. As a capitalist I completely agree with your stance against fan fiction and look forward to all of your future progress. I have read your short stories and am starved for anything Song of Ice and Fire related.

Good luck and best wishes to your football teams so long as they don't play my Bears again :)
[info]danceswithbeans wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2011 04:02 am (UTC)
I'm going to say CW it up means this:

-Younger cast
-more love triangles
-possibly make Vincent less animal looking and more hot guy with slightly odd physical quirk
-also probably more trendy bands on the sound track, possibly playing in show at some night club
[info]a3gis wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2011 04:05 am (UTC)
CW-up definition
CW-up Verb /see.doubleewe up/
1. Annihilate a good concept with characters who perform ridiculously unbelieveable actions.
2. To add excessive emo overtones to a show.
3. To add more pouting.
4. Completely ruin or spoil (something).
[info]breebers wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2011 05:37 pm (UTC)
Re: CW-up definition
5. Overlay important scenes and montages with 'appropriate' tunage to indicate to viewers how they should feel regarding the scenes.
6. Have ridiculously attractive cast continually bed-hopping (and/or pining for unrequited crushes) like those Dawon's River kids.
[info]nycfalcon wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2011 04:32 am (UTC)
You hit the nail on the head. Ron, Linda and Roy are going to be tough acts to follow. We didn't watch the series religiously in our house but those characters still live on very fondly in my memory.
[info]cantsleep2nite wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2011 04:36 am (UTC)
Reboots
Twenty years from now it's going to be the GOT reboot coming at us with a slight variation - IN SPACE. A Song of Milky Ways and Dark Matters is how I envision it.
[info]maine_character wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2011 05:13 am (UTC)
As a fantasy reader in the 80's, I loved both the show and the character's love of writing, from the poetry to Father's stacks of dusty tomes. One so seldom sees that in television, and it made me feel both validated and in good company.
[info]datsingajonn wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2011 05:28 am (UTC)
Hear, hear!
I loved B&B as a pre-teen in the 80's and 90's precisely for the reasons you listed here. The rich, under-city world; Vincent's love of books; the outcast getting the girl...this was not just romance for chicks, it was storytelling with soul. I loved Ron and Linda's chemistry from episode 1 on! Good luck to all those involved in this reboot, they're gonna need it.
[info]rose_papillon wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2011 06:02 am (UTC)
What a strange coincidence, for I just finished having a massive Beauty and the Beast marathon this weekend!
As BatB fan who was only a one year old when the show premiered, I'm excited about the idea of any new content at all, however I have some fears as well. For example:

"But I must admit, the announcement makes me nervous. The new version will "modernize and CW-up" the love story, it says here, as well as adding a "procedural twist."

I really wish I knew what this meant. What exactly do they mean by moderising? Please tell me they're not about to make Catherine a teenager and try to cash in on the success of Twilight? Just thinking about that kind of makes me ill. I REALLY hope they do a good job with the remake. I don't know that'll ever compare, but if it introduces new fans to the series, then I'll be happy.
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[info]parrismcb wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2011 05:27 pm (UTC)
The series is out on dvd
there's a 'deluxe' package that comes with a paper wrapper textured like Vincent's fur. We don't have Netflix - so many shows and movies to watch just with our Tivo recordings we haven't felt a need for it - but it might be available for rental on NetFlix or some other service. Start at the beginning, and see how the show gets stronger by the second half of the first season, and the characters of the tunnels become 'people' thanks to the writers and directors who understood what a unique show they had.

Teachers used to write to the show saying that Vincent's love of poetry had made some of their students actually interested in reading the poems Vincent read from on the show. Now that, that, is totally awesome.

I suspect the CW version will have less poetry and more instances of Vincent 'Beasting-out" as the writers called the networks demands for Vincent to shred more bodies and drop the lovey-dovey bits. No show was ever more ill-served by Q-ratings and people meter-dials in test showings than B&B.
[info]ariandar wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2011 10:37 pm (UTC)
Re: The series is out on dvd
I was one of those students, fwiw, who was introduced to poets I might not have encountered otherwise. I ended up getting the vinyl (that's right, vinyl!) album of Vincent reciting poems from the show.
[info]parrismcb wrote:
Sep. 27th, 2011 11:43 pm (UTC)
you got the vinyl?
I never could get it - but I do have the cd of Ron using his Vincent voice and cherish it.

And good on you for finding a way to appreciate great poetry thanks to a tv show when you were a young kid. It's one of those small ripples that touches others in ways never anticipated that are such a delight.
[info]mizkit wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2011 08:39 am (UTC)
Oh, man.

Back after I'd lost all hope of the TV show returning or seeing a big screen BatB, I knew how I would continue the story. Not with a reboot, but with Catherine and Vincent's son Jacob (just because he was born apparently normal doesn't mean he couldn't get beastly at puberty or something), and with the daughters of Elliot Burch and Joe Maxwell (I've never seen any reason why getting blown up in the last episodes should keep Burch from having a daughter a few months later) as the beauties. Not Betty and Veronica, but two women you'd really like, rather than one you love to hate, so that the entire show is an agonizing pull between which girl Jacob ends up with. And if they want to make it a police procedural, well, so, Joanne Maxwell can be a cop, and Ellen Burch a socialite do-gooder sticking her nose in where it doesn't belong.

Vincent and Father could maybe make cameos, and given that BatB did the best ghost story in the history of ever, I have *no doubt* they could write Catherine in a few times, and...

Yeah. That would be awesome. Because nobody's going to match Ron Perlman, and Linda Hamilton and Roy Dotrice defined those characters.

Of course, I'll watch the new one if they get it off the ground anyway. :)
[info]Knut Berget wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2011 09:43 am (UTC)
Ron Pearlman
Ron Pearlman would be a great Randyll Tarly if he makes it into the series :)
[info]forcewatcher wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2011 10:36 am (UTC)
Reboots tend to pretty much soulless as it is. No matter how hard they try, any reboot of Beauty and the Beast could never capture the majesty of the original. The cast and crew did an amazing job, and the result was self-evident. Glad you got to see them again!
[info]angelos_l wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2011 11:45 am (UTC)
I grew up with the original series, and I hope they do it justice. For me the greatest thing you people had achieved in that series was the character of Vincent, because even though he looked different, he never really frightened me and I was a 5 year old child at the time.
[info]rivertempest wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2011 12:30 pm (UTC)
Having been a huge fan of the Beauty and the Beast series, I hope most ardently, that they keep with that you mentioned - it's what made this series different.

Whomever they choose to follow in Ron, Linda, and Roy's footsteps will certainly have large shoes to fill.

*crosses fingers*
[info]rose_papillon wrote:
Sep. 27th, 2011 08:06 am (UTC)
Hello you! Yay, you're still using my icon!
[info]rose_papillon wrote:
Sep. 27th, 2011 08:27 am (UTC)
P.S: I was thinking of making one of Vincent reading ASOIAF to Catherine. Image of him swearing or reading out some of the sex scenes is just too hilarious.
[info]childdoll wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2011 01:38 pm (UTC)
To be honest, I am not happy about the reboot idea. I loved Beauty and the Beast. I used to watch it as a kid. It's a part of my childhood. I am really tired of these teams coming in and constantly taking things from my childhood and redoing them. Can't they just get an original idea for themselves for once and leave my happy memories be?
[info]warforged_hero wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2011 02:13 pm (UTC)
I want to go back and watch the original now. It's been a long, long time.

Unrelated: just finished reading Fevre Dream. It's one of the best novels I've ever read.
[info]stucking_foned wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2011 03:24 pm (UTC)
this show was on tv when i was a kid. it was always one of my favorites, and one of those you never forget. i had no idea you were part of it. that just made it better. i was probably more excited than i should have been when i found it streaming on netflix.
[info]joshua_bigger wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2011 08:43 pm (UTC)
No one can follow Ron and Linda...
all they can hope for is to show Heart themselves.

Speaking of which, here's a friendly reminder that I'll be seeing you at Clarion West next year.

I do hope you'll bring your A-game!!
[info]frosstbyte wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2011 09:53 pm (UTC)
Netflix
Just so everyone knows, the original run of BatB is currently on Netflix streaming for your streaming pleasure. Good way to watch it quickly and easily if you're not the DVD buying type.
[info]helpmeobewan wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2011 10:50 pm (UTC)
reboots/remakes
Must be hard for the original creators--actors, writers, etc.--to watch a "remake" of their love. Could be Frankensteinian.

I don't get how some things make it and others don't--Firefly was fantastic and it lasted less than a season.
[info]attilathepbnun wrote:
Sep. 27th, 2011 02:09 am (UTC)
Err ... while our household watched B&B religiously, I confess it took quite some time for me to warm up to Catherine. It was the poor makeup job on her scars in the first episode, you see. Two relatively-straight and clean, if long, scars, and she screams like a dying banshee? For a looong time after, I thought of her as a wimp ... but I still don't want to see it ruined but a bad 'reboot'*makes face*
*ahem* Game of Thrones has just been mentioned on CASTLE! Upon learning that the murder victim's head has been removed. Rick Castle exclaims 'That is so Game of Thrones!"
[info]layne_i wrote:
Sep. 27th, 2011 02:32 pm (UTC)
right on
I was JUST going to comment on that. Awesome. George! There's got to be a way to fit Nathan Fillion in somewhere, a minor character that would fit with his Castle shoot? Pleeeeeeease.
[info]cathvin87 wrote:
Sep. 27th, 2011 02:22 am (UTC)
Beauty & the Beast
I'm a devoted fan of the original series & I admit I was very nervous when I heard about a reboot, but I'm trying to think positively -I'm hoping the only changes are:
-The 'Modernization' is that Catherine has a cell phone
-The 'Procedural Twist' is that she's more directly involved w/investigations
-The 'CW-ing' is that they make her a minimum of at least 25 years old
-I hope they keep the Vincent character & make-up as it was
-And lastly I hope this couple will have a Happy Ending
So, at the risk of sounding like a Pollyanna, maybe if we all think positively & hope for the best, the reboot might be ok
[info]rose_papillon wrote:
Sep. 27th, 2011 08:30 am (UTC)
Re: Beauty & the Beast
I second the motion for a happy ending. Speaking of things we'd like to see happen, I always wanted Joe to meet Vincent by accident somehow, while Catherine was still around of course.
[info]meatrace wrote:
Sep. 27th, 2011 03:54 am (UTC)
I remember watching that show and enjoying it when I was a kid. Not trying to make you feel old! I'd love to see Armin in more things, he's one of my favorite actors.
[info]nyc_utopia wrote:
Sep. 27th, 2011 07:32 am (UTC)
Ditto
Very well said, Sir.
Your opinions are largely shared by said fanbase (still alive and kicking)...
It is, of course, a fresh cause for worry to learn that no one at this reunion dinner is involved in the reboot.
"Be well."
[info]Sherry Ball Schoenfeldt wrote:
Sep. 27th, 2011 01:28 pm (UTC)
I'd forgotten how much I loved Beauty & the Beast until I read this post. It was such a great series. hmmmmm may have to go see if I can find it somewhere to watch again
[info]westeros_fan wrote:
Sep. 27th, 2011 02:17 pm (UTC)
Some reboots are good - Star Trek, Batman, BSG, etc., so there is hope. I clicked the link and unless I misread something, the article that came up mentioned Ron Koslow among the executive producers, so it looks like they haven't completely ignored the people who were involved with the original series... That's good, right?

Anyhow, I am definitely going to check Netflix when I get home from work - I'm in Canada and our netflix sadly doesn't have quite as much content as the US netflix, but I'll keep my fingers crossed. I liked the original show when it was new and still on TV, but I didn't watch it every week. I'd love to give it another go & picking up the DVD's would be a budget-buster just now...

I saw Castle last night too and I don't think the guy's head was removed - he had his hand cut off and then was chopped in two from head to crotch. But I jumped up off my couch pointing at the TV and hooting like an ape when Fillion mentioned how very Game of Thrones that crime scene was.
[info]ayrynkat wrote:
Sep. 27th, 2011 02:44 pm (UTC)
If you replace "CW-it up" with "Twilight it up," you'd know exactly what the CW is all about. How they ended up with a decent version of the new Nikita is beyond me.
[info]adaveen wrote:
Sep. 27th, 2011 06:36 pm (UTC)
I'd rather they reboot it with Ron and Linda - Now in their middle ages, Vincent has taken over for Father, and Catherine is running for Governor... as above, so below... (Pretend Catherine ever died.)

I have to admit, my favorite part of this show was the art direction: settings, costumes, lighting. Gorgeous. Absolutely GORGEOUS!
[info]wendyjoe555 wrote:
Sep. 27th, 2011 11:24 pm (UTC)
Linda Hamilton is always a tough act to follow! =)
[info]rhaenyskitten wrote:
Sep. 28th, 2011 10:25 pm (UTC)
Ron Perlman?
Any chance Ron Perlman will make at least a cameo in Game of Thrones? He's had some good roles(Enemy at the Gates, Hellboy, Sons of Anarchy) but he's been mostly pigeon holed as a voice actor.
[info]Tonya Jarrett wrote:
Jan. 25th, 2012 04:06 pm (UTC)
Good God, Not on the CW
George, thank you for having very mixed feelings about this reboot of Beauty and the Beast. I can tell you many of the original fans are angry and upset about it, not only about the news but the nasty cracks being made by people on the Internet about the original show. I've never loved a show as much until Joss Whedon made Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Angel and Firefly. Good drama should inspire, make us dream, explore our fears and doubts, our loves, let us live within our own fantasies within the piece, just as with Game of Thrones. I always thought Beauty and the Beast was superior. It was special and unique but like a Unicorn who is misunderstood, could not survive in the money-making atmosphere of Hollywood. We don't even have a DVD collection of the series, that I know of. So, thank you for your words. The show always lives in my heart.
[info]donna becker wrote:
Feb. 4th, 2012 11:08 pm (UTC)
It will all come down to the writing and also the chemistry of the actors. I've only seen a few TV shows in my lifetime where the actors had that special chemisty, bringing the characters to life the way Ron & Linda did. I hope they don't use "Beauty" or "Beast" in the title. There is only ONE Beauty & The Beast, thanks to you and the entire cast. If CBS aired their 25-year-old show again on primtime, people would swear it was filmed now (except for the lack of cell phones in some of the scenes where payphones were used :-). You can't say that about any other 1980's TV show. I hope the CW can do justice to the original.

Thank you for listening, Mr. Martin.

Sincerely,

Donna Becker
Glendale Heights, IL
[info]cathvin87 wrote:
Feb. 22nd, 2012 05:15 am (UTC)
Beauty & the Beast Reboot
From the pilot script I've read this reboot is definitely not like the original -It should not have been promoted as such -While it is a beauty & beast type themed show, they shouldn't have named the main characters Catherine & Vincent -I had high hopes for a B&B remake, but I wanted it to be more like the original with all the romance & fantasy -I see none of that in this reboot, especially with the character of Vincent, who was once a unique, mysterious being with a gentle soul -Now he'll be a genetically altered hairy human super soldier? -I honestly thought the script was a joke & not authentic -I am truly disappointed that it was true --(Btw, many new fans have discovered the series through the DVD's)
[info]grrm wrote:
Feb. 22nd, 2012 06:26 pm (UTC)
Re: Beauty & the Beast Reboot
Oh, boy... I really hope this isn't true... a genetically altered hairy human super-soldier... say it ain't so, Joe...
[info]Maria Flygare wrote:
Mar. 13th, 2012 10:13 am (UTC)
BATB
What was good about the Beauty and the beast was the beasts voice, the classical music, poetry and slow romance in the story. But also the togetherness of the family in the tunnels. That's what has kept the fans of the original around for all these years and makes the fandom active to this day with around 1000 posts in just one of the forums daily. (Its hard trying to read them all!) I DO hope CW are going to keep that in their story, and also the fact that the "beauty" can't see the beast in their first encounter. That's what makes a good story. That's what makes a great TV show unlike anything else out there today.
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