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Win One, Lose One

G-men
Finally at home again, and able to enjoy both of my football games on my own TV.

Except "enjoy" might not be the operative word for what I saw today.

The Jets game was a horror. Maybe it was two great defenses tearing at each other. Or maybe two awful offenses stinking up the joint. Probably a bit of both. Ack. Fumbles, interceptions, missed tackles, more fumbles... there were a few exciting moments, but the Jets plainly did not want this one, since they kept giving it away. (I don't think Joe Flacco wanted it either, since he kept trying to give it back). Rex said this was going to be Gang Green's year, but after last week's loss to the Raiders and this nightmare, I'm not so sure. And next week they have to go to Foxboro to face the Patriots. That could be ugly. Nick Mangold better heal fast.

The Giants... well, the Giants pulled out a miraculous win, though not without a little help from the refs. Eli played well, as did Hakeem Nicks, and it was great to see Osi back in action and wreaking havoc in the backfield. But the game turned on the Victor Cruz reception just before the last of Big Blue's TDs, when he caught the ball, broke a tackle, then went down (untouched) and popped back up again... leaving the ball behind, on the belief the play was over. The Cardinals pounced on the abandoned ball, claiming a fumble. The refs ruled no, Cruz had given himself up. That ruling was not reviewable, so the G-men kept the ball and Eli promptly threw the game-winning TD to Nicks (a great catch by Nicks, by the way, a pity it is getting lost in the controversy over the Cruz play).

Needless to say, lots of controversy over the Cruz ruling, with detailed discussions on all the postgame shows. Even Eli said after the game that he thought the G-men caught a break there. That's certainly true. Bottom line seems to me it all comes down to a judgement. The rules do allow a player to give himself up, at which point the ball is dead. Cruz was on the ground, and had plainly stopped trying to advance. He did not "fumble" the ball. He had it, he fell on it, and then he popped back to his feet for the next play, figuring that this play was over. That's good enough for me.

I really like Cruz, by the way. He's an undrafted free agent. Joined the team last year, had a sensational camp, then got hurt in the last preseason game and was out for the season. But this year he's back and making the most of his opportunities. He seems to have great hands, and he fights for the ball and makes the tough catches. It would not surprise me to see him beat out Mario Manningham for a starting job by year's end. So I'm certainly glad that his mistake did not cost the Giants the game. Something like that can weigh badly on a kid still trying to make his mark.

All in all... four games in, the G-Men are 3-1 and the Jets 2-2. Not at all what I would have predicted before the season. But that's why they play the games, as Chris Berman likes to say.

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Evan Cook
Oct. 3rd, 2011 12:34 pm (UTC)
In the Jets' defense, the Ravens probably have the league's most ridiculous pass rush. They were even getting deep penetration on kicks and punts! The Pats' defense isn't that scary this season, and they can definitely be scored on -- check out what the team from upstate did to them last week!
trinlindin
Oct. 3rd, 2011 12:50 pm (UTC)
How come people are unable to comment on the Game of Thrones - Genesis announcement?

Would like to read some feedback/reviews.
grrm
Oct. 3rd, 2011 04:39 pm (UTC)
I closed comments on both the cookbook post and the videogame post because both Inn at the Crossroads and Cyanide/ Focus have their own forums, which I linked to. That's the proper place for discussion of the cookbook and/or the game, not here.
racebannon42
Oct. 3rd, 2011 12:55 pm (UTC)
Plaxico had a somewhat similar play as a rookie, where he went to the ground to catch a ball, popped up and spiked it, all without being touched down. That was ruled a fumble.

My Steelers played another horrible game yesterday. God we need a couple of decent linemen.
nycfalcon
Oct. 4th, 2011 08:48 pm (UTC)
I don't know what the rule was when Plax did that, but the rule now is quite clear. That was not a fumble as the runner chose not to advance the ball.

Steve Bennett
Oct. 3rd, 2011 01:35 pm (UTC)
The foosball
I feel your pain George - try being an Eagles fan - "The Dream Team" that was going to sweep this season.... Now sitting at 1-3 on the heels of some severe 4th quarter collapses and red zone turnovers. And as for being a Jets fan - Sanchez is a standup guy (loved the story about him and the Cancer kid last season) and Rex - c'mon - they guy overcomes the Sanchez dating a teenie bopper scandal, the reporter sexual harassment scandal, the Brett Favre Scandal, and his foot fetish youtube video. I love watching him - not many other coaches would drive all of the negative attention to themselves to protect his players and come out on top! Now, as for those Giants..........
layne_i
Oct. 3rd, 2011 01:36 pm (UTC)
football
the only football I saw was Man U beat Norwich 2-0 and Arsenal lose to Spurs 1-2 ...and I'm American ;)
vnend
Oct. 3rd, 2011 02:47 pm (UTC)
That 107 yard kickoff return was amazing though. He didn't look that fast, and (at least from the first angle), there didn't appear to be a hole. But suddenly he was in the open and gone. The two chasers made it interesting. Wow, what a run.

But, yeah, the farce that was that 3rd Q (or was it 4th?) fumble, turnover, interception return for touchdown describes the rest of the game. Sublime and ridiculous...

Enjoy being home.
_wish_me_luck_
Oct. 3rd, 2011 04:25 pm (UTC)
". And next week they have to go to Foxboro to face the Patriots. That could be ugly."

patriots aren't so good as it was predicted neither, so it could be not so ugly at all)
Rudy Hartmann
Oct. 3rd, 2011 11:10 pm (UTC)
I was in the HBO GoT Season 2 focus group, but...
I am a medieval history graduate student at Fordham University in NYC, I'm also in the GoT Season 2 focus group...and an lifelong Jets fan. The recent Jets game was like one of your novels: harsh and realistic. Instead of gang green winning because they deserved to win, tragedy piled upon tragedy, with defeat snatched from the jaws of victory: sack the Ravens quarterback and recover a fumble? That only raised our hopes to smash them down: they immediately threw an interception. The Jets have always been a 4th quarter team, but still.

I also write to bring something to your attention:

As I said, I'm a medieval graduate student at Fordham University. My research focuses on castle administration in Medieval France, Crusades and the rise of Chivalry. Basically, the currently dominant school of thought (led by Charles Coulson) is that feudal bonds over castles were very peaceful, prefiguring the rise of the modern nation-state; sort of like a doffing of caps, the barons and kings showed each other mutual respect. The view I'm trying to put forward in my MA Thesis is that if you actually bother to read the feudal castle grant charters, they're filled with things where the lord says to his vassal "I own your ass, I have the explicit right at my great force or small force to garrison your hereditary castle with my own soldiers whenever I want" -- using the word "force" a lot, not "abstract concept of government" -- their entire political system was based on violence and military domination....its just that the British school likes to think that means "anarchy", and I'm emphasizing its "codified violence".

At any rate, HBO runs its focus groups in New York City, so last year I called up and got on the list for the season 1 focus group....which never happened (not the pilot focus group, the later one). I think they were re-editing the episode or something -- which worked, the episode was great when it aired. At any rate I stayed on the list, and they called me up to be in the season 2 focus group happening this week.

...only today (October 3rd) they called me up at the last minute to say I'd been kicked out. I asked why. They said that "our client is specifically reluctant to allow students into the focus group".

Flaberghasted, I tried to explain that I'm not some 18 year old business major in glorified daycare for the smallfolk (undergrad) -- I said, "But I'm a 25 year old medieval history graduate student. I "work" for the university; that's how the system works. You TA intro-level medieval lectures and in return they forgive some of your tuition fees". She said it didn't matter and hung up.

Now trying to analyze this, I think HBO is concerned about whether I have "disposable income" -- I'm a full time medieval grad student so I actually don't work a job on the side. Let me get this straight: the smallfolk flipping burgers in the White Castle down the street are more desirable for their focus group, because they have a stable paycheck, than a full time medieval grad student?

...how much money do we "students" need to watch HBO? What about birthday and christmas? My friends and I exchange HBO DVD sets as presents all the time. Its not as if a DVD costs as much as a car or something. I read the books some years ago so I've been hyping up the rest of the Fordham medieval department about how great Game of Thrones is and they're looking forward to the DVD release.

Or maybe they weren't looking for "students" because they assumed that meant stoners eating ramen in the dark in their dorms? How do they think I afforded an off-campus apartment? Aren't they concerned with getting the coveted 18-25 viewer demographic?

By the Gods, I'm *presenting an article* on the Arthurian Romances of Chretien de Troyes next May at the 47th International Congress on Medieval Studies in Kalamazoo, Michigan. "Our client doesn't want 'Students'..." What?

I realize you have no oversight about this matter at all, sir. And I'm sorry to pester you with such...minutiae. But the next time the vampires from HBO marketing happen to be discussing this, I hope you share my bewilderment that the HBO focus group *actively turned away* a graduate "student" in medieval history.

grrm
Oct. 4th, 2011 03:55 am (UTC)
Re: I was in the HBO GoT Season 2 focus group, but...
You're right, I have nothing to do with this. No knowledge, no involvement, no explanations or thoughts to offer.

Except to say that I loathe the very idea of "focus groups." The networks rely on them way too much in picking shows; I did not realize HBO used them at all. If it was up to me, they wouldn't.

(It is not up to me).
texansfan85
Oct. 3rd, 2011 11:11 pm (UTC)
Speaking of questionable calls...
Glad to see your back commenting on football. I really enjoy reading your p.o.v. and seeing what you thought of your teams from week to week.

For a while I thought you might have been too embarrassed of the Giants' actions when they played against the Rams to continue blogging about football. You know, when both Deon Grant and Jaquian Williams went down with fake injuries in order to slow the Rams' no huddle offense down and get a free time out so they could get their goal line package out on the field? Here's a short clip for reference, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1PZnIiGyOg. I was hoping to hear your thoughts on that.

As far as the call that went Cruz's way yesterday, I believe it should have been a fumble. If a receiver catches a ball, hits the ground, gets up and spikes it in celebration without being touched while the ball is in play, it is ruled a fumble. I have seen it happen. Similarly, if someone thinks they crossed the touchdown line and gives up the ball before they cross the plane, then it is also ruled a fumble. I don't see how this is any different. In an interview after the game, Cruz said he thought he was touched, so he made an error in judgement. If he really wanted to give up and go down, he should have done the quarterback slide.

Take this any way you like, but your Giants sure do know how to bend the rules to their favor.

p.s.- Finished ADWD last week and loved it! Thanks.
adamengland
Oct. 4th, 2011 12:45 am (UTC)
Although I know you are a NY Giants and NY Jets fan, from reading "A Song of Ice and Fire" series , one would think that you would be a Ravens fan. Corn , Corn , Corn!
Michael Howley
Oct. 4th, 2011 02:48 am (UTC)
Meanwhile, back at the ranch...
My Lions are 4-0. That is all.
infinite_hiatus
Oct. 4th, 2011 04:01 am (UTC)
Re: Meanwhile, back at the ranch...
As a UGA grad, I'm glad to see Stafford having a big year. :-)
infinite_hiatus
Oct. 4th, 2011 04:01 am (UTC)
I didn't expect my Falcons to be 2-2 either, not after going 13-3 last season. I don't know enough about the game to dissect what's wrong, but I hope it ends soon.
qalpha
Oct. 4th, 2011 04:38 am (UTC)
For what it's worth, I hate, hate, hate the Giants, and I think the refs made the right call. It looked to me like he flopped to the ground intentionally. The rule is, if you go the ground intentionally, without trying to progress the ball (like diving for extra yards), the play is over. It is the same as taking a knee. It is the same as a sliding feet first.
Tiberiu Anghelina
Oct. 4th, 2011 06:12 am (UTC)
... :(
... and the Vikings lost again :((
_wish_me_luck_
Oct. 5th, 2011 12:56 am (UTC)
Re: ... :(
I totally hear you(
do you think Ponder can be a solution?
Quinn McCourt
Oct. 4th, 2011 07:04 pm (UTC)
Do you have a fantasy team? If so, who is on it?
nycfalcon
Oct. 4th, 2011 09:16 pm (UTC)
There are rules to these games for a reason. The rules aren't subject to what the public's or almost all of the players and coaches think they should be. They are what they are and they are written down before the start of each season. FYI, the rules change each season.

As an example, not too long ago the end zone touch down line extended to infinity. A player just needed to pass the ball through that line inside or outside the pylons as long as his body was initially in bounds as the ball broke the plane. That is not the case this season. The ball must touch a pylon or break the plane within them.

Wishing for the rules to be what we wish them to be rather than accepting what they are is frankly... well what would you call it?

George, after the off-season, preseason and the first games I too would not have thought the teams would have been in the position that they are. Give credit to Coughlin, the players, the coaching staff, and a bit of good luck mixed in with some of the bad luck they've had. The Giants are making hay.

As far as the Jets go, lets hope their coaches and front office can figure it out. I can't knock Sanchez too much because I remember Simms in some of his early days. No QB can take a beating and play well.
Tom Akel
Oct. 5th, 2011 03:51 am (UTC)
The Jets game was brutal to watch. There were points where I was just cringing and hoping there was some way they could just call the game and give Sanchez a break before he might take a serious injury.

And thought it's still early in the season and I don't want to jinx it, I couldn't be happier with the way the NFC East is going! This is a big week for that division. If the Eagles end up 1-4 and the Giants 4-1, I think the season is out of reach for Philly. On the other hand, we could just as easily see the Giants, Dallas, and Skins tied at 3-2, with Philly one game back. This is one of those hump weeks where a couple of teams can really pull away if things go well, like when the Giants won at FedEx in '00 and didn't look back.
Greg Bambi Bianchi
Oct. 7th, 2011 10:08 am (UTC)
Brilliant.
This is completely unrelated to your post, but I just had to post it. I don't even know if you'll read this, how often you hear crap like this, or what, but I just know that I have to say it.

You, Mr. Martin, are a genius. I just, tonight, finished A Dance with Dragons. I read along with Roy Dotrice (who is brilliant, by the way. Your book and his reading it, with the voices...? Man...)

The way you bring the characters to life is fascinating. I will not post any spoilers, do not worry, but it's just amazing to me how you do it. It's realistic. There is no "magical luck" to save someone.

You really are an inspiration to me and my own writing. I will wait patiently (with the jitters, of course) for the sixth book.

Thank you very much for the brilliant read, George. You and your story are just pure genius.

I know I had more to say to you about this, but I just can't think of it right now. I always lose track of what I want to say when I'm excited.

Anyway, again, thank you for many, many, many hours of terrific reading!
kelly_castelo
Oct. 7th, 2011 02:05 pm (UTC)
Mr. Martin, do you ever answer messages about song of ice and fire?
Sorry to be such a pain... I've sent some messages about the books through this live journal thing. Just wondering if you got them - cause I'm not familiar with this blog thing - or not a blog :D - and if you ever answer... I know that probably you receive tons of those...
grrm
Oct. 7th, 2011 03:27 pm (UTC)
Re: Mr. Martin, do you ever answer messages about song of ice and fire?
I get a LOT of messages, Kelly.

I answer when I can... but I'm always way behind... I have more than a thousand unanswered emails in my inbox right now, and about ninety LJ messages.

I don't recommend LJ messaging as a way to reach me. It's the place I check least often.
kelly_castelo
Oct. 7th, 2011 04:08 pm (UTC)
Re: Mr. Martin, do you ever answer messages about song of ice and fire?
wow :) That was fast! Thank you very much!:D
I'll take advantage of your good will then and just paste my question-message here, alright?:) it's a quick one :)

I´m Brazilian and I love your books. I've just finished reading A Storm of Swords and am still trying to recover :).

I'd like to ask you if by any chance you could - PLEEEEEASE! - soothe my anxiety a little bit by giving me some perhaps not yet written but tiny tiny piece of information: will Arya ever meet Gendry again? PLEEEEEEEEEEEEASE tell me :D. As far as it concerns the pair of them, I´m as silly as Sansa :D. It's just that I don't wanna keep on feeding my hopes on seeing them reunited for the next 4 books, only to see none of it coming true and being left with nothing but that horrible sense of frustration... So I beg you - PLEASE! - if they are never to see each other again from A Storm of Swords on, just tell me and give a quick, merciful end to my anxiety :). I'll buy and read the books anyway. Promise :D.
sheriffkilla
Oct. 8th, 2011 02:01 am (UTC)
Re: Mr. Martin, do you ever answer messages about song of ice and fire?
I don't want to answer to respond for George but so you don't get your hopes up, I'll say this: He is highly unlikely to tell you the answer to that question. Like 120% sure that he won't tell you. I mean pretty much anything about stuff that isn't in the books so far is off limits. He will never answer. And he shouldn't, that's the way it is. You get to know when the books come out, no sooner no later.

Anyway, I got the signed Clash of Kings today at Barnes-N-Nobles in LA and I'm really happy. Thanks GRRM for going and signing a bunch of copies at all these stores. I know it helps you sell more copies so it's sort of a selfish reason you did but I still appreciate it.
kelly_castelo
Oct. 8th, 2011 01:56 pm (UTC)
Re: Mr. Martin, do you ever answer messages about song of ice and fire?
well, i'm not asking for details on what's gonna happen. Just if they'll ever meet again... :) I hope he answers. Never hurt to hope, right?:) If he doesn't, at least I tried :D
thatenddown
Oct. 7th, 2011 04:30 pm (UTC)
Don't worry about the Jets having to play the Pats. The Pats had a 21-0 lead against Buffalo and ultimately lost 34-31, so they can be beat.
dan_cool12
Oct. 8th, 2011 02:02 pm (UTC)
I am glad at least one of your teams won, ser!
lesliekaz
Oct. 9th, 2011 04:21 am (UTC)
Grey's
Don't know where to post but did you catch the Grey's Anatomy shout-out to Ice and Fire? Stampede at comicon - and a "hobbit" sees a dr. and says, "She's like a Dothraki princess." When someone says, "Huh?" it's explained that it's from "Ice and Fire."!!

Been Giants fan all my life - Go Giants! Who'da thought Giants would be 3-1 in first place and the Jets (preseason favorites) would be 2-2? Life is great!
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