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Jets Crash

As bad as that blowout the Giants suffered at Atlanta was, the Jets' loss to the Titans was worse.

As horrible as that Jets' 7-6 win over Arizona was, the loss to the Titans was worse.

A hideous game. Too hideous to write about.

And the aftermath is even worse. Sanchez to be traded? (Who would want him? He leads the league in turnovers, and his salary and cap figure are through the roof. What would they offer, a bag of used jockstraps?) Tebow wants out. (Who could blame him?) And next season, the rumor mill insists, Gang Green may start over again with...

.... Michael Vick.

Michael Fucking Vick.

No, thank you. I don't want Michael Vick on my team. If he comes here, I guess I root only for the Giants until the Dogkiller departs.

I guess I have only one shred of hope left to cling to. Maybe this Greg McElroy kid is the new Tom Brady. Yeah, he's a seventh round pick, but Brady was a sixth rounder. Maybe McElroy is the real deal...

Or maybe the horse will talk.



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Dec. 20th, 2012 08:59 pm (UTC)
I am a die hard Bears fan but if they brought in the dogkiller I would start rooting for the packers. I hope things go better than predicted. I am not happy with how my team is doing either. Sundays game was a joke. Stupid Bears
Steve Prohut
Dec. 21st, 2012 09:17 pm (UTC)
Re: Not VICK
Same boat, buddy. If this Bears game goes to crap like the last 2 have, I might just put on the games from earlier in the season. You know, the ones where our defense was just blisteringly awesome.
Dec. 20th, 2012 09:02 pm (UTC)
I agree George, screw Vick. He turns the ball over almost as much as Sanchez does anyway.

I know your pain too, I'm a Bills fan so I've been suffering for a long time :(
Rhys Orr
Dec. 20th, 2012 09:05 pm (UTC)
Now how will the Giants fare vs the Ravens this weekend? After a three game losing streak the Ravens are going to go all out on this one.
Dec. 20th, 2012 09:09 pm (UTC)
I've got to root for McElroy. (And I don't even follow the Jets). Roll Tide!
Dec. 20th, 2012 09:09 pm (UTC)
Interesting to see your perspective on Vick, given that you wrote the redemption of Jaime Lannister after shoving an 8-year-old Bran out the window, and the (sort-of; avoiding spoilers) redemption of Sandor Clegane after murdering little Mycah.

If Vick had been mostly unrepentant, that would be one thing. But he seems to be genuinely trying to work to mitigate some of the damage he caused (e.g., http://www.humanesociety.org/issues/dogfighting/qa/vick_faq.html). I mean, who knows what's in that guy's heart, but he wouldn't be the first to turn things around after really awful actions.

Anyway, no condemnation, everyone's entitled to an opinion. Just thought it was interesting.
Dec. 21st, 2012 03:34 am (UTC)
Re: Vick
The difference being that Mr. Martin's characters are fictional. No one or no thing is actually harmed in a book, unlike the horrible things Vick did that were all too real.
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Dec. 20th, 2012 09:09 pm (UTC)
The fact that Michael Vick is allowed to play, profit and thrive is absolutely appalling to me. :(
Dec. 21st, 2012 03:21 pm (UTC)
Precisely. The only one worse than Vick is Rothlisberger. "What, you're a rapist? Ah, no big deal- keep up those TD passes!" Argh.
Eric Preece
Dec. 20th, 2012 09:10 pm (UTC)
Lots of options for the Jets
Both Alex Smith and Matt Flynn will be available via trade so there will be some quality QBs out there. But keep in mind - QB isn't the only issue with the Jets.

You're spot on about Vick. Horrible person. And he's a terrible QB to boot. He can't fade away too soon.
Dec. 20th, 2012 09:28 pm (UTC)
I am really crossing my fingers on McElroy.

Someone needs to slip Vick a note that he will be less defended by the Jets than the Eagles and that more than one concussion is in his future if he depends on that offensive line to protect him.

Tebow was to sell T-shirts or rather Jets Jerseys which he has done and can now be gotten rid of because they sure as heck aren't selling PSLs right now.

The Jets are a mess and that ship won't be righted until someone mans up and tells Rex that he is out of there. All of Rex's picks have been disasters.
Kevin Loverde
Dec. 20th, 2012 09:28 pm (UTC)
Hate the Patriots all you want, but they did build up one hell of a QB.

Michael Vick needs to be booted out of the NFL, he's a stain on the sport.
Dec. 21st, 2012 11:54 pm (UTC)
"Hate the Patriots all you want, but they did build up one hell of a QB."

amazing how good you can be when you know what the enemy defense is going to do every play
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Dec. 20th, 2012 09:33 pm (UTC)
Animals are reputed to talk at midnight on Christmas eve. Find a horse then, and ask him (or her).

And Michael Vick makes Evil Little Bill look like a saint!
Dec. 20th, 2012 09:55 pm (UTC)
Well, I am an Eagles fan so if you guys get Vick I can only offer you my deepest condolences. I do believe he has genuinely changed quite a bit since spending time in prison but beyond that he is a pretty awful quarterback. He can still throw a beautiful spiral and make an occasional great play which makes you kind of like him (hmmmm...starting to remind me of a certain kingslayer) but he can't read defenses if his life depended on it. If you thought Mark Sanchez was bad at turning the ball over wait until you try a year with Vick and all his fumbles.
Dec. 20th, 2012 10:18 pm (UTC)
This is terrible
I actually wrote something of a taunt response about how the Jets should keep Sanchez because I'm a Patriots fan and I like seeing them lose; but then I realized that it really doesn't matter who the Jets have as QB, they will never consistently be in contention for the AFC Title.
Dec. 20th, 2012 10:22 pm (UTC)
They can try to pry Cousins away from the Redskins...but that might make the Skins stronger and we don't want that.
Chris Thomas
Dec. 20th, 2012 10:30 pm (UTC)
Greg McElroy
I will say, Greg McElroy might be untested in the NFL for the most part but he was a hell of a QA at Alabama. Great field general. Didn't make that many mistakes and was constantly praised for his intelligence. I wouldn't be surprised if he steps up. Of course, it's the NFL so who knows. I'm pulling for him!
Dec. 20th, 2012 10:39 pm (UTC)
George you have finally reached my NFL pain
As a 30 year Bills Fan without a Championship or even a playoff birth in the decade I feel your pain.
Dec. 20th, 2012 11:23 pm (UTC)
I cannot stand it when a player I hate comes to MY team.
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Dec. 20th, 2012 11:35 pm (UTC)
At this point Rex Ryan and Mike Tannenbaum are the biggest issue. I think Michael Vick paid his debt to society and would be a huge upgrade.
Dec. 20th, 2012 11:44 pm (UTC)
Come on over to the Falcons, George. Im from NY and like them so you can too from NJ. Sanchez does need to go though, he's just not good. You're right, Vick is not the way to go. I was happy when Atlanta got rid of him so I know what you mean.

Any chance of a WoW gift chapter this year? Maybe a Sansa?

Hope you have a good holiday, George.
Dec. 20th, 2012 11:54 pm (UTC)
Sorry about your Jet problems, but I laughed heartily at "Michael Fucking Vick." I agree - I can't root for the guy knowing the horrors that he was a part of. Here's to Eli and Co. going on another streak.
James Rutledge Roesch
Dec. 21st, 2012 12:08 am (UTC)
Redemption Over Revenge
I understand how you feel. What Michael Vick did to dogs was despicable, a truly horrifying crime against innocent animals. At first, I felt as appalled as you. As a dog lover myself, I swore undying hatred to a quarterback who was already the bane of my NFC South. I simply could not fathom what kind of person - other than a Ramsay Bolton, maybe - could treat another living creature with such utter malice. In time, however, I found that forgiving Vick was not only the compassionate thing to do, but also a practical way to help make the world a better place.

After the "Bad Newz Kennels" was exposed, Vick lost his promising job, went completely bankrupt, was imprisoned for almost two years of his life, and suffered more public scorn than perhaps any other athlete in the history of the National Football League, if not all of professional sports. What other athlete has had pundits call for his summary execution? Now, his life having been ruined - and rightly so; he got what he deserved - Vick is trying to pick up the pieces and rebuild. I respect his perseverance in the face of overwhelming adversity from bitter ex-fans, teams rightly concerned about protecting their brand, and countless other people and organizations who could not care less about football but who loathe dog fighting and animal cruelty.

While Vick was imprisoned, he sought out the counsel of Tony Dungy. Dungy, after assessing Vick's priorities (he needed to be sure that Vick was genuinely penitent), began visiting and mentoring him in prison, helping him reconnect with the lost faith of his younger years. When Vick was released from prison, Dungy vouched for his character to NFL teams who were considering him. In the end, it was Dungy and Donovan McNabb who convinced Jeff Lurie and Andy Reid to give Vick another chance in Philadelphia. Dungy even wrote a foreword to Vick's autobiography, for goodness' sake!

Dungy, the NFL's closest thing to a conscience (sorry Bob Costas), is a man whose opinion should carry some weight. Dungy's philanthropy has persisted beyond his days as a coach in Tampa and Indianapolis, and he remains deeply involved with charities like "Family First" and the "Boys and Girls Club" to this day. Dungy knows Vick better than any of us, and if he trusts him and is willing to attest that he is a changed man, surely that counts for something. Just as there is more to Jaime Lannister's story than being an "oathbreaker" or "kingslayer," there is more to Vick's story than just being a "Dogkiller."

In the end - opinions about Vick, dog fighting, and animal cruelty aside - what is a more inspiring message to the world? Someone who has fallen from grace rising above his failures to become a better man, or someone who has fallen from grace thwarted from rising above his failures and condemned to a life of misery? Personally, I want to live in a world in which people are encouraged to overcome their past sins, seek forgiveness, and redeem themselves, not a world in which anyone who has ever done something wrong - and we all fall short - is eternally damned. The former sends a message of hope, the latter, despair. The latter is not even human, for learning from our mistakes is an essential part of life. Without the chance to fall down and try again, the world would be an awfully cruel place. Granted, Vick "fell down" horrendously, but that is what would make his comeback an even more inspiring example.

Where would Jaime Lannister - the wildly popular anti-hero who readers first meet shoving an innocent child to what he believes will be his death for the offense of catching him in the act of incest with his twin sister - be without the possibility of redemption and forgiveness? A character cannot start at a much deeper deficit than Jaime, yet in the course of the story he has grown far more than anyone ever anticipated. We should follow Brienne's example, not Lady Stoneheart's.

If nothing else, Vick should be commended for trying against all odds. It is not as if Vick is getting away with murder. Even if this injury-crushing season is not his last, Vick's fame and fortune will always be a shadow of what they once were.

I love dogs, but I love human compassion, the hope of redemption, and the promise of a better world more.

Edited at 2012-12-21 12:16 am (UTC)
Dec. 21st, 2012 12:21 am (UTC)
Re: Redemption Over Revenge
I do believe in redemption and I do believe in forgiveness... under the right circumstances.

But I am not convinced that Vick has actually changed. I think it is all a show. I think he is doing and saying the things he was told that he had to do and say to get back in the NFL.

I have listened to his apologies. He talks about being sorry, about having let down his family, his friends, his teammates, the organization, the owner, and so on, and so forth. He apologizes to all of them.

He never says a word about the dogs.

He is sorry he got caught, yeah. He is sorry he went to prison. He is sorry he lost millions of dollars. And he may even be genuinely sorry that he hurt his family and the Atlanta Falcons and a coach and owner who believed in him. But honestly, I don't give a fig if he disappointed Arthur Blank. It's the dogs that trouble me, and he never talks about that. That leads me to believe his repentence is an inch deep, that he does not truly get it.

You may believe otherwise. Unless we can read minds/ souls, we will never know the truth.

Mind you, I am not saying that Vick should be killed or sent back to prison. He went to jail, he paid his "debt to society," he's out, fine.

That does not mean I want him on my team.

That does not mean I have to cheer for him.

Edited at 2012-12-21 12:23 am (UTC)
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Dec. 21st, 2012 12:23 am (UTC)
Greg McElroy was superb in college. I was honestly shocked that he didn't go higher up in the draft. He always keeps a cool head and doesn't panic if he gets in a tight spot. I think the only thing people didn't like about him going into the draft was that he was perhaps a little too willing to take a hit to make a play. I think he'll be a great fit for the Jets.
Dec. 21st, 2012 02:04 pm (UTC)
I hope you're right. I don't follow college fb nearly as close as the nfl, largely I live in Brooklyn, and there are no college teams nearby worth rooting for except Rutgers, but that's in Jersey (no offense GRRM). I've been a Jets fan since I was a kid, and their run over the last few years is the best I've ever seen from them, and I really hope that 2010 wasn't their peak. I wasn't born yet when Joe Willie Namath made his guarantee. I really want to see the Jets win. This year however, as long as somebody knocks off the Pats, I'm good.
Dec. 21st, 2012 12:29 am (UTC)
If they hire Michael Vick I'll be beyond disgusted. I never thought the Jets were so morally bankrupt that they would do anything to win. Apparently I was wrong. Well, may have been wrong. I'm clinging to the hope that they'll remember they have class and back off from such an indefensible move.
Dec. 21st, 2012 01:30 am (UTC)
Michael Vick vs. Direwolf Cage Match!
Dec. 21st, 2012 01:52 am (UTC)
Michael Fucking Vick indeed. I'm from the Philly area. When his name is brought up in this part of the country, people stir as though possessed, and hushed and hurried voices fill the air. His name rings with naught but infamy.
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