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It's the Pits

Son of Homer.


Jan. 24th, 2013 11:26 pm (UTC)
That's so weird
I was just watching a youtube video of Froggy and Pasta Fazooli. I just finished The Armageddon Rag and just had to see him plunk his magic twanger.
Jan. 24th, 2013 11:38 pm (UTC)
Nancy Cartwright? ...The Homeridae? ...Someone in the bear pits where Brienne fought?
Jan. 24th, 2013 11:50 pm (UTC)
Ian Bartholomew? Been in Camelot and a bunch of other British shows if that's where this is heading Ser? :D

Edited at 2013-01-25 12:00 am (UTC)
Jan. 24th, 2013 11:54 pm (UTC)

Jan. 24th, 2013 11:56 pm (UTC)
Assuming this is a hint about an actor doing something on Fevre Dream or the Wild Cards project or an audio book or something like that, I'll take a stab at Ed Harris, who played Virgil (a "son of Homer") in _The Abyss_ (I guess it's a sort of pit).

Ed Harris is pretty awesome.

Ed Harris attached as Jonathan Harmon in "The Skin Trade"? I can see it.

(That said, probably well wrong.)

Edited at 2013-01-24 11:56 pm (UTC)
Dominique Lavigne
Jan. 24th, 2013 11:59 pm (UTC)
Look, there's a GOT tag at the bottom of the brief post... So let's brainstorm about GOT! Early for 4, late for 3, I'm surprised...
Jan. 25th, 2013 12:01 am (UTC)
Oh. Huh. Game of Thrones tag noted. Well, then I've got nothing. I don't see who Ed Harris could be playing...
Ryan Cassidy
Jan. 25th, 2013 12:11 am (UTC)
Randyll Tarly? May be a bit early for him though... maybe Mace? Not to the character's look but it'd be worth the change.
Radu Francu
Jan. 25th, 2013 12:21 am (UTC)
Son of Homer
Now, you go too classical, Bal...Son Of Homer is Bart....but what does Bart Simpson have to do with it?
Jan. 25th, 2013 12:09 am (UTC)
bartholomew simpson
says google
Jan. 25th, 2013 12:09 am (UTC)
All I can think of is Bart
Jan. 25th, 2013 12:20 am (UTC)
Is this about Little Bart the bear?
Jim Dodd
Jan. 25th, 2013 12:21 am (UTC)
Jan. 25th, 2013 12:22 am (UTC)
Nancy Cartwright??
Jan. 25th, 2013 12:22 am (UTC)
I'll take a shot at it
I'm going to start with Batrachomyomachia. It's comic parody of the iliad, written by Homer, that features frogs. The story is translated into "The Battle of Frogs and Mice".

From wiki: "A mouse drinking water from a lake meets the Frog King, who invites him to his house. As the Frog King swims across the lake, the Mouse seated on his back, they are confronted by a frightening water-snake. The Frog dives, forgetting about the Mouse, who drowns. Another Mouse witnesses the scene from the bank of the lake, and runs to tell everyone about it. The Mice arm themselves for battle to avenge the Frog King's treachery, and send a herald to the Frogs with a declaration of war. The Frogs blame their King, who altogether denies the incident. In the meantime, Zeus, seeing the brewing war, proposes that the gods take sides, and specifically that Athena help the Mice. Athena refuses, saying that mice have done her a lot of mischief. Eventually the gods decide to watch rather than get involved. A battle ensues and the Mice prevail. Zeus summons a force of crabs to prevent complete destruction of the Frogs. Powerless against the armored crabs, the Mice retreat, and the one-day war ends at sundown."

The word also means, "much ado about nothing", "A storm in a puddle", or "a silly altercation".

There's a book on Amazon called 'The battle of the frogs and the mice' authored by a George Martin. A coincidence, or you've been googling yourself, George.

The frog in the picture is Froggy The Gremlin. He was a character on the Smilin' Ed's Gang radio and TV show and later Andy's Gang TV show in the 1940s and 1950s. D'oh! He was also an alter ego in 'The Armageddon Rag', a 1983 GRRM book. That's what I get for being an exclusive ASOIAF reader.

I may have taken the frog as too much of a clue.

BUT WAIT, TV Tropes has a more thorough explanation of the story.
"The frog king Puff-jaw offers to receive Crumb-snatcher as a guest before he takes him across the lake and accidentally drowns him"

Maybe someone is going to offer to take Tyrion or Daenerys across the "lake" and they drown. I'm jumping to all kinds of conclusions. I'd rather guess at an actor or actress, but I kind find a good trail to begin.

Unless you got Brad Pitt, who was in Troy. But that's a little ridiculous. OR IS IT? Yeah, it is.

Edited at 2013-01-25 12:57 am (UTC)
Jan. 25th, 2013 12:24 am (UTC)
son of homer......little Bart the bear
Ben Manning
Jan. 25th, 2013 12:26 am (UTC)
Son of Homer
Bart? Maybe Bart Ruspoli has been cast? http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1057010/
James Rutledge Roesch
Jan. 25th, 2013 12:27 am (UTC)
"Little Bart the Bear" in the Bear Pit
Could it be? It's consistent with the Homer and pit reference.
Jan. 25th, 2013 12:27 am (UTC)
If we're going "Homer" as in "Simpson"...then it could be Bart the Bear.
Jan. 25th, 2013 01:29 am (UTC)
I think you're right
Jan. 25th, 2013 04:18 am (UTC)
Looks like a great guess
but I am surprised if it is right that George wouldn't have confirmed it and accused us of being to smart. I use "us" very loosely since I had not guessed or contributed until now.

If it is not right though, we might be barking up the wrong tree with that particular son of Homer.

Since no one knows if Homer was a real person, or when he lived exactly (it was all Oral tradition, so really hard to pin point facts) maybe we have to think outside the box. A son is in a way, a successor. Who was Homer's successor? Spiritually, I would say Virgil who wrote the Aeneid as a propaganda piece to glorify Roman history and connect it to the end of the Trojan war, making the Romans descendants of the survivors of the fall of Illium.

so an actor named Virgil? I really couldn't find one.

How can this not be about the bear? It has to be, right?
Jan. 25th, 2013 12:40 am (UTC)
Probably a Bart playing someone from the fighting pits...hopefully Belwas?
Jan. 25th, 2013 12:51 am (UTC)
ahh...George and your cryptic updates to decode! Shortly when I began following your blog in '11, it took me a while to figure out that 'Kong' referred to "A Dance With Dragons".
Jan. 25th, 2013 12:53 am (UTC)
The mischievous emoticon makes me wonder if it is actually him:


Jan. 25th, 2013 02:19 am (UTC)
This makes sense.
Jan. 25th, 2013 12:58 am (UTC)
A Bear. A Bear!
all covered in hair.
Jan. 25th, 2013 01:00 am (UTC)
No actors named Bart that I could see playing a role in GoT
While we're on the subject of casting and GoT. Do you have any comments on what James Purefoy and Kevin McKidd had to say about GoT?

As someone who was a fan of Rome and also worked in tv and had the experience of their show being taken away, you must have thoughts on it.

Also I would love GoT to add more actors to their cast from Rome. Ray Stevenson wearing a kraken helm would be awesome.
Jan. 25th, 2013 01:23 am (UTC)
Re: No actors named Bart that I could see playing a role in GoT
ROME was a great show that ended way too soon. I can understand why the actors might be pissed about that. Hell, I'm still pissed about the cancellation of BEAUTY AND THE BEAST and the fact that DOORWAYS never got a series order (though in hindsight I now see that we would never have been able to do DOORWAYS the way I wanted with 1993 technology and SFX).

GOT is already using two actors from ROME: Ciaran Hinds and Tobias Menzies. But the casting on that show was marvelous, and I am a huge fan of many of the other actors who appeared with them, including Ray Stevenson, Polly Walker, Max Pirkis, Kerry Condon, Ian McNeice, Indira Varma, David Bamber, and... yes... James Purefoy and Kevin McKidd.

Whether any of these actors will ever appear in GAME OF THRONES... well, that's not up to me, and it's not that easy anyway. These are working actors, many of them have other jobs, and we already have a huge cast, so budget is always a concern.

FWIW, I also love the cast of the old I, CLAUDIUS. If Derek Jacobi, Sian Phillips, John Hurt, Brian Blessed, George Baker, and their bunch want to come on GAME OF THRONES, I'd love that too. But hey, as I said, it's not to me, they're probably too busy, and even if they were free, we probably could afford them.

A lot of factors go into casting. That's why I am so amazed by Nina Gold and the job she has done for us.
Jan. 25th, 2013 01:54 am (UTC)
Re: No actors named Bart that I could see playing a role in GoT
John Noble, perhaps? (not related to the clue). He did finish Fringe this past summer...I just adore him. Not sure who he might play (though Doran or a lord not foo fat to sit a horse at all really). Just putting this out into the universe in as many places as I can in hopes that GoT scoops him up!

Also, it's got to be a bear--Bart II :). Fits in nicely with NCW's comment that he was shooting in the US because an actor couldn't leave the states. Though I did spend several minutes looking into some ancient Greek performing group before I thought to google actors named Bart.

Edited at 2013-01-25 02:01 am (UTC)
Jan. 25th, 2013 02:23 am (UTC)
Re: No actors named Bart that I could see playing a role in GoT
John Noble is one actor who I feel would work on any show. GOT would certainly be one of them.
Dorian Kratsas
Jan. 25th, 2013 01:59 am (UTC)
Re: No actors named Bart that I could see playing a role in GoT
Not to bring down the mood, but sadly, George Baker left us in 2011. I, Claudius was a long time ago :(
Jan. 25th, 2013 02:07 am (UTC)
Re: No actors named Bart that I could see playing a role in GoT
Damn! I hadn't known that.

Baker was one of the unsung heroes of I, CLAUDIUS. Derek Jacobi and Sian Phillips got an incredible amount of praise for their portrayals of Claudius and Livia, deservedly, while Brian Blessed and John Hurt were already well-established and well recognized, but I never felt Baker got nearly enough attention for his Tiberius... a thankless role, since the character was so unlikeable, but one that he performed brilliantly.

There's a lot of his Tiberius in my Stannis, fwiw.
Kyle Elzy
Jan. 25th, 2013 02:38 am (UTC)
Re: No actors named Bart that I could see playing a role in GoT
There's a lot of his Tiberius in my Stannis, fwiw.

Speaking of Stannis, I always pictured Ben Cross when reading. I figure some lazy recollection of Malagant from First Knight (an awful, awful film) is to blame, but the guy does have a hard ass look to him. And he's a pretty decent character actor.


Edited at 2013-01-25 02:42 am (UTC)
Dorian Kratsas
Jan. 25th, 2013 04:04 am (UTC)
Re: No actors named Bart that I could see playing a role in GoT
Oh wow, I knew it! Specifcally I remember this part of Clash of Kings:

"Did he take my hand and say,
Well done, brother, whatever should I do without you?"


(at 1:35)

I had seen I,Claudius so many times that as I read Stannis' brooding in Clash of Kings above I immediately recalled that scene.
Jan. 25th, 2013 02:42 am (UTC)
Re: No actors named Bart that I could see playing a role in GoT
Oh how much I would love to see Ray Stevenson as Victarion!

You said it's not up to you who to cast, which I understand, but do you get to say "I like these 5 the most" etc, assuming you get to see the audition tapes?
Jan. 25th, 2013 06:21 am (UTC)
Re: No actors named Bart that I could see playing a role in GoT
George, i tweeted James Purefoy about this thing he said and he answered me this:

Jan. 25th, 2013 01:31 am (UTC)
Bart Johnson as Harghaz. He deserves to get his arse roasted black and crispy for High School Musical.
Chelsea Paice
Jan. 25th, 2013 02:18 am (UTC)
I don't know how it would relate to son of Homer, but our lovely Prince Frog (Quentyn Martell) had quite the experience in the dragon pits . . .
Hayley Greenfield
Jan. 25th, 2013 04:50 am (UTC)
Howland Reed?
Surely the flashback to the tourney at Harenhal must be upcoming? A hint to the casting of Howland perhaps? I always associate frogs with the Reeds.... And I am sure Howland has an important role to play later in the book series too! Not sure about The Bart part.... Roger Bart maybe, right age, right build. Thoughts anyone??
Jan. 25th, 2013 08:03 am (UTC)
You guys are smarter than the average bear, plainly.

Yes, it's BART THE BEAR.

Or rather, Bart the Second. The original Bart, that nine foot tall star of stage and screen, has departed for the great forest in the sky. So Jaime and Brienne get to play with his heir and namesake.


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