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NFL Draft, Day 3

G-men
The Giants draft is looking very strong. No spectacular moves, but solid players who will make solid contributions. Grabbing Nassib in round four to back up Eli and groom as his successor was a great move.

The Jets draft... two defensive players in round one look okay, but considering how high they were taken, you had to hope for more. Neither one looks like a game-changer. And taking Geno Smith will set back the club years. Sanchez is likely to be released now, which means we are starting all over, and with a much iffier prospect than Mark was when he was first drafted,

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arkham1010
Apr. 27th, 2013 06:37 pm (UTC)
Fire the Jets front office. They are almost criminally incompetent.
nycfalcon
Apr. 28th, 2013 12:20 am (UTC)
You can't fire the owner.
ebenstone
Apr. 27th, 2013 07:08 pm (UTC)
Nassib
Great guy from a great school! Go Orange!
cres34
Apr. 27th, 2013 07:08 pm (UTC)
D-fense...
Speaking of "d-fense", the Saints are definitely in need of some, and they had to make a lot of moves, including trading RB Chris Ivory to your Jets for a pick. Won't know how this will pan out till at least training camps & the pre-season, though.
MikeBogner
Apr. 27th, 2013 07:49 pm (UTC)
Jets QB Situation
I'm not sure I agree that picking Geno Smith guarantees setting the club back years. If he really is a bust (as I think he will be) and the Jets can figure that out in one year, he's still a second-round pick and easier to shed/move to backup QB. There's no shame or harm in picking Manziel or some other top prospect next draft. I pray the Jets don't have the natural draft position to get those guys (i.e., Rex somehow keeps us competitive), but whether they have a top 5 pick or trade up, they can always get another QB from a better draft class in 2014.
nycfalcon
Apr. 28th, 2013 12:21 am (UTC)
Re: Jets QB Situation
That's possibly true. If he can slide without needing to have Joe Torre teach him then that's a positive.

Edited at 2013-04-28 12:24 am (UTC)
Jeremy Morton
Apr. 27th, 2013 08:11 pm (UTC)
I wish I could understand what the Jets were doing
A tweet today that captures the sentiment, if slightly exaggerated:

"Giants draft = symphony. Jets draft = homeless man beating on garbage can."
torome86
Apr. 27th, 2013 08:33 pm (UTC)
Don't you know? The Jets are cursed until ASoIaF is completed; Like how Stephen King had to finish Dark Tower and then the Sox won the World Series!
swingkitten9
Apr. 27th, 2013 10:36 pm (UTC)
I like this sentiment. You're their only hope, Mr. Martin!
John Killinger
Apr. 27th, 2013 09:31 pm (UTC)
Chris Ivory to the Jets.
What are your thoughts on Chris Ivory going to the Jets? As a Saints fan who has watched Ivory since his first NFL play running back a Kickoff for a touchdown, I am sad to see him go, and I can tell you, The Jets have a real running back now.

Edited at 2013-04-27 09:32 pm (UTC)
grrm
Apr. 27th, 2013 11:45 pm (UTC)
Re: Chris Ivory to the Jets.
Don't know much about Ivory, actually... but if he was that good, why was he fourth on the Saints' depth chart?
John Killinger
Apr. 28th, 2013 05:44 am (UTC)
Re: Chris Ivory to the Jets.
The Saints are just very heavy in RB. They ran out in the playoffs a couple of years back and they have begun to just stack 4. Ivory is a quick young back, and among greatness; he was just on a team where he couldn't get the field time he deserved, which is why he was number four. Above him are Mark Ingram, the 'Bama RB that won the National Championship in NCAA, Pierre Thomas who has a Superbowl Ring and whom I have seen do some amazing work, and Sproles the highest total yards All purpose yards RB in the league 2 years ago.

Ivory just needs to be somewhere where he will get some play time. He deserves a number 1 spot in a depth chart and you guys need it. If you can get the QB spot worked out you guys are good to go.

Hopefully Rex Ryan actually plays him, but yeah.
Cali T. Rossen
Apr. 29th, 2013 08:54 pm (UTC)
Re: Chris Ivory to the Jets.
Sent you a message, and received a notice it was sent to spam. Hope you can retrieve it.

Thank you for your time....
nycfalcon
Apr. 28th, 2013 12:44 am (UTC)
I'm not sold that the Giants had a strong draft. I think for what they needed and what was available that it was competent.

As much as the Revis trade and the Geno Smith draft pick were confusing the other picks weren't glaringly horrible.

It looks like the Niners had a pretty good draft. That's not good. The Cowboys' draft gave me a chuckle. So even if we Giants and Jets fans/rooters didn't have much to wildly cheer about, we have that to be grateful for.
w2irt
Apr. 28th, 2013 03:44 am (UTC)
Yeah, I think you hit it on the head. Competent is a very good description. I still wish we'd taken Te'o at MLB since LB is a position that's always an Achilles' heel for the g-men. But I'm satisfied at what Reese was able to accomplish and look forward to a productive season. And don't forget, Cruuuuuz was a UDFA, so we're going to see some more talent come in for a look-see in the coming days. Things might get even better.
r3g0rzz
Apr. 28th, 2013 03:05 am (UTC)
As a Bills fan it looks like our franchises might have some good 2013 Draft QB Duels: EJ Manuel vs Geno Smith. Lets see what happens!
timkanak
Apr. 28th, 2013 05:28 pm (UTC)
NFL Draft
Trust me, Sheldon Richardson will be your favorite Jets player next year. He wrecked the SEC last year while being double teamed the entire season, he has the speed of a fast LB and always has the awareness to force fumbles. He was a KR on his high school football team. Richardson will be the best defensive player in the draft.
Eric Bakke
Apr. 28th, 2013 06:19 pm (UTC)
Until the Jets get some help at WR and TE it really wont matter what QB they have in. Their complete lack of talent at the WR position is the real issue in my opinion.
grrm
Apr. 28th, 2013 08:42 pm (UTC)
Braylon Edwards has some talent, though he is very inconsistent. And Santonio Holmes is very good, but it remains to be seen how well he will come back from his injury. TE is a bigger issue. The loss of Dustin Keller was devatating. He was Sanchez's favorite target.
nycfalcon
Apr. 29th, 2013 01:04 pm (UTC)
I don't feel as badly today as my knee jerk reaction to them signing Tebow, keeping Rex after firing Tannenbaum, trading Revis and drafting Geno.

Things are looking up. Tebow is gone. Or, is this a knee jerk reaction too?
Eric Bakke
Apr. 30th, 2013 05:28 am (UTC)
I watched a handful of jets games last year and it seemed like the receivers were always wearing defenders like coats. I rarely saw anybody get any seperation for Sanchez to throw them the ball. Holmes is good, but he seems to be on the downward spiral even before the injury. Edwards had a great year a while back but has only shown rare flashes sense. For Sanchez, I kind of hope they cut him so he can go somewhere else and get a fresh start.
Dave Grose
Apr. 29th, 2013 12:31 am (UTC)
WVU fan
I actually live in WV and have followed Geno for his four years here at WVU. I met him a couple of times as well. In the right system, Geno could be a great QB. Looking at his first three years with WVU, he was not the star he became under Dana Holgerson (Coach of WVU) who is more pass oriented in his schemes. Given guidance, Geno Smith could be an asset to any NFL team. It is unfortunate that that guidance doesn't exist at the NY Jets. If last season is any indication, Geno might just sit and watch them shoot themselves in the foot until one or both QB's get injured, or he may be shoehorned in to confuse a defense. Neither of these scenarios play to Geno's strengths and will only serve to damage/ruin his future prospects. As a Geno Smith fan, I don't think there could have been a worse team to pick him up.

St. Louis on the other hand! They took BOTH of our awesome WR's in Stedman Bailey and Tavon Austin. With Tavon returning punts and kickoffs and Bailey's magnetic fingers, St. Louis may become my new team to watch. That's just my two cents.

Edited at 2013-04-29 12:38 am (UTC)
Joshua Ramsey
Apr. 29th, 2013 03:12 am (UTC)
Give Geno a chance
I know I am biased, but as a WVU student, I have watched every down Geno has played the last three years. He has shown tremendous growth in that time and even more potential to get better. He seems to be a true student of the game and is both accurate and strong when it comes to his arm. He had his issues this season and I am not saying he will deliver on his promise of a playoff appearance, but I think many Jets fans will be pleasantly surprised by what they see out of him this Fall.
Anthony DeMarco
Apr. 29th, 2013 04:40 am (UTC)
I just think Sanchez's time has come and gone naturally. There comes a point in time when a player stops being considered young and needs to start producing year in and year out like a true professional. Sanchez arguably has regressed since his rookie year and I'm not entirely sure Geno is capable of playing much worse than him at this point. The D looks okay, but the O needs a complete overhaul.

To be fair he does have a winning record and only 1 year sub .500, but then again Vince Young i2 31-19 all time so QB win-loss record can't count for that much lol.
grrm
Apr. 29th, 2013 04:18 pm (UTC)
QBs need a team around them. Sanchez had no one to throw to last year, once Santonio Holmes and Dustin Keller went down. The right side of the O-line fell apart as well.
jenniferlee
Apr. 29th, 2013 01:33 pm (UTC)
Whoa!
Releasing Tebow like that??? After the rosters are full? Doesn't look very sportsman-like. Hmm.
grrm
Apr. 29th, 2013 04:16 pm (UTC)
Re: Whoa!
The QB roster was certainly full. They had six. Now they have five. Which is still about two too many.
Mary Ellen Wofford
Apr. 29th, 2013 06:02 pm (UTC)
Re: Whoa!
Agreed jenniferlee.

I can't help but feel the Jets royally screwed Tebow but taking him and then not using him. I think he might have been better off if no one had taken him from the Broncos and the guy wouldn't have wasted a year of his time. He'd either have found another home, maybe in CFL or Arena Football or maybe another NFL team in a different position if no one wants him as QB. Got to admit I think he'd make a heckuva fullback!
nycfalcon
Apr. 29th, 2013 10:27 pm (UTC)
Re: Whoa!
They paid him. If he wanted to play more he should have completed some more passes or rushed for more yardage.
Keith Donnelly
Apr. 29th, 2013 02:15 pm (UTC)
Well at least they finally ended qyburn's Tebow experiment....Is there any chance the tales of dunk and egg will be released as a collected e-book, thanks.
UsePsychology
Apr. 29th, 2013 02:31 pm (UTC)
Jets QB
Well, Sanchez didn't get released, but another QB did... and GRRM does a little dance, perhaps?
kcopen
Apr. 29th, 2013 03:02 pm (UTC)
Obligatory Geno Smith defense from a Mountaineer fan...

As an avid WVU fan I can honestly say drafting Geno is a risk. (Although I'm not sure why he's an iffier prospect than Sanchez was when he was drafted.) Geno was inconsistent and infuriating at times. There were also games when he was absolutely brilliant. The good thing about Geno is there isn't a throw he can't make. He's big, athletic, and has better arm strength than anyone on the JETS roster. Biggest problem for Geno in NY is he won't have weapons like Tavon around him (to say nothing of the problems in the JETS front office.) I know its a big if, but if they can work on calming him down I think he has the athleticism and field vision to make a franchise QB. I believe he'll certainly do better than Sanchez has the past two seasons.
guessingo
Apr. 29th, 2013 03:26 pm (UTC)
fellow giant and jet fan
I live outside DC. So I have no one to talk Jet/Giant football with. Just the whacko RG3 fans. Who think the Redskins will win the superbowl this year.

So bear with my post.

Giants:
Not sure what they will do at Linebacker. They usually ignore this. Right now, they are down 2 linebackers from last year and Kiwanuka needs to move to DE (where he is better). This is a very weak group even by Giants standards. Rivers has talent but can't stay on the field. Who knows about the guy they got from the cowboys.

Secondary: Huh? This group was awful last year. Amukamarra was pretty good, but missed alot of games. What are the odds that an older player like Webster rebounds from a year where he was about the worst corner in the NFL? Can Terrell Thomas stay on the field and even play with that knee? Kenny Phillips was there best safety (in the 7 games when he was healthy) and he is gone. Antrelle Rolle is good in run support, but can't cover anyone. I am also wondering if Jayron Hosley was a bust.

The Giant defense gave up 7000 yards last year... You can't cross your fingers and just hope for sacks. You have to cover.


Picks:
Pugh: Dunno. Short Arms? Who knows what that means. Can't be hard to be better than Diehl who is garbage. Reese has a good track record of hitting home runs in the first round.

DT in 2nd Round: Are they giving up on Marvin Austin? Remember when he was supposed to be a steal. He can't stay healthy. Giants did have alot of trouble with DT depth so the 3 guys in the rotation were exhausted in the 2nd half. My guess is they want more guys in the rotation.

DE in 3rd Round: Probably a project and won't get on the field this year unless there are alot of injuries.

Nassib: Hopefully he never takes the field. I think this was a 'Peyton never got hurt until he did'. If so, he will leave via Free Agency in 4 years. Not sure I like this. David Carr is a quality backup and knows the system. This year they have to carry 3 QBs. I don't think they can afford to cut far. That means 1 less roster spot.

Rest of the draft: Reese is hit and miss late in the draft. Mainly miss.


Jets: They are clearly not drafting for this year. They know they will suck. Plus they have 12m in cap space from Revis and almost 13m going to Sanchez.

1st Round CB: Revis is a generational corner. There is no 'replacement for Revis'. An all pro is not a replacement for Revis, but if he is good. Its a good pick.

1st Round DT: This is clearly a pick for down the road. There line is getting old. Dunno. Strikes me as more of a 4-3 Tackle. Your not going to get pressure as a NT. So maybe they see him as a 3-4 End? Or maybe they will go 4-3 in some situations?

Geno: If he is good. Good pick. I have no idea if he will be good. I'm ok with a 2nd round pick and giving up a 6th to hope he is good. This is a QB league and Sanchez has to go.

Rest of the Draft: I have no idea. These are just names on the page. So I hope some are good.

Matthew Cooley
Apr. 29th, 2013 03:31 pm (UTC)
jets
Obviously the Jets big needs were offensive weapons and probably a linebacker able to rush the passer, but at 9th and 13th the value just wasn't there with Tavon Austin off the board. This was not a strong WR class. You could make a case for Tyler Eifert (ND TE), but I'd still rather have Milliner and Richardson.

Sanchez is in his final year one way or another, and with the drafts top rated QB shockingly available in the 2nd round, they HAD to take him.

My only real beef with the Jets is taking Richardson over Star Lotulelei, but its a minor complaint, and I will be happy to be proven wrong on that.
ext_1779766
Apr. 29th, 2013 03:42 pm (UTC)
Tim Tebow
Well, the Jets release Tebow today, so they seemed to be looking at someone like Geno Smith as the future. I don't know if it will work out.
Jay M Williams
Apr. 29th, 2013 03:48 pm (UTC)
Draft Analysis
George I respect your Football opinions almost as much as your writing but am scratching my head on your draft analysis this year. The Giants draft seems ok. Moore and Nassib (watched him live)are strong picks for where they got them) but Hankins isn't the right DT for an Eastern Conference full of speedy qbs. The Jets might've even done a little better this year. Milliner will be a stud. Geno's pass completion % (usually the best predictor of pro success) is high enough that mid/late second round seems like a small price. Thanks for taking Richardson though, it let Sharrif Floyd fall to the purple! If there is anything to celebrate this year it might be the Dallas Cowboys abysmal draft. The biggest quandary, Chance Warmack somehow fell to 10th as the best player at his job (imho).
grrm
Apr. 29th, 2013 04:14 pm (UTC)
Re: Draft Analysis
The Giants were slashed repeatedly by the run last year. Hankins will give them a huge run-stopper in the middle, which is just what they need. He looks to be a Tony Siragusa/ Kris Jenkins type. The Giants draft was not glamorous, but they seem to have gotten good, soldi players.

Milliner may or may not be a stud, but he's got an impossible task: replacing Revis. If Revis comes back all the way, he is on his way to a Hall of Fame career, and will go down as one of the best CBs in NFL history, someone to rank with Dion Sanders and Darrell Green. Even if Milliner turns out to be a Pro Bowl player, that's a big step down.
Jay M Williams
Apr. 29th, 2013 07:53 pm (UTC)
seRe: Draft Analysis
Hard to argue with that. I've met Jim Carter a few times. Great guy, awesome player, never forgiven by the fans for beating out the aging Ray Nitchke (sp?) in Green Bay. Hopefully Jets fans will judge Milliner for what he is......but we know how likely that is. I cried with you when they parted ways with Revis. My pops lost a superbowl but gained a friendship with Namath so I've always kept one eye on those green guys to the East. My best advice to the Jets, convince those dirty Pats, that the guy in Curtis Martin's number and green uniform is really him, Ghost of Renly style! Thanks for the response.
Jay M Williams
May. 2nd, 2013 06:01 am (UTC)
Re: Draft Analysis
Good points. Stopping the run is a big part of the Vikings identity and used to be pretty important in the league....still is but not like before.
hmfic04
May. 1st, 2013 11:01 am (UTC)
Re: Draft Analysis
Moore was a pretty good defensive end for A&M and an excellent pass-rusher in the SEC. His perfomance against DJ Fluker was a pretty good one, considering Fluker admitted he was getting a lot of "no-holds".

He had a bit of an attitude problem, and that's a significant reason why the coaches didn't "endorse him".

Great Defensive Player for A&M and one that was expected to fill Von Miller's shoes, didn't live up to Von's level but certainly an outstanding player for A&M.
cherifromwv
Apr. 30th, 2013 02:21 am (UTC)
NFL draft and Geno Smith
Dear George, we are going to have to disagree on Geno Smith. I am a die-hard WVU fan. He is an amazing player. I watch the 2012 Orange Bowl DVD where a young Geno Smith led out team to defeat Clemson in a major upset just for fun (between episodes of GoT and re-reads of ASOIAF). There are things that are not generally known by the public about some of the issues with WVU's team this year that reflected on Geno, though not his fault, but the Jets have secured one of the hardest working, most determined players available. The release of Tim Tebow today should begin to clear up some questions about the Jets' intentions, but Geno will play his heart out and give his full attention to this opportunity. Give him a chance, please!

In the meantime, still waiting to hear from you on my script proposition and my series thoughts for a Civil War drama based on Mosby's Men. Will fly to Sante Fe anytime.



Edited at 2013-04-30 02:35 am (UTC)
czaloumis
Apr. 30th, 2013 06:41 am (UTC)
NFL AM
George,

Any interest in sounding off on the Jet's draft as well as Idzik's recent performance on NFL AM? My sister is the host of the show and as a long time fan of your books I'd love to see you on there.
Nachop Pikacho
May. 5th, 2013 04:44 am (UTC)
NY sux, Dallas Cowboys for ever...
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