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Breaking Bad

Amazing series.  Amazing episode last night.  Talk about a gut punch.

Walter White is a bigger monster than anyone in Westeros.

(I need to do something about that).

This is the final season of BREAKING BAD.  I think GAME OF THRONES may have a shot at upsetting BB for this year's Emmy (only a shot, though, I think they are the clear favorite), which pits us against their previous season...  but there's no way in hell that anyone is going to defeat BREAKING BAD next year, when their last season is the one in contention.

Admittedly, trying to handicap the Emmys is a mug's game.  You never know.  But for what it's worth, I think this year is our best chance of actually winning one.  Given the splash the Red Wedding made, our profile is likely as high as it is ever going to be.  We had a great season.  If the Academy is ever going to give their ultimate accolade to a fantasy show (something that is by no means certain), it's going to be this year, I think.

But we'll see.  BREAKING BAD, MAD MEN, DOWNTON ABBEY, HOMELAND, and HOUSE OF CARDS will have something to say about that as well.  All good shows, I think.  A couple are great shows.  HOMELAND is the defending champ, MAD MEN's won four, and HOUSE OF CARDS has that whole "gamechanger" thing going for it.  Should be an interesting race.  We'll all know on September 22.


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Sep. 16th, 2013 09:43 pm (UTC)
villans and monsters
I don't know about that George, I'd say Ramsay is more evil than Walt. But on the other hand, you created Ramsay so I guess you'd know...
Sep. 18th, 2013 01:42 pm (UTC)
Re: villans and monsters
The thing is though, it's only Ramsey's sadism and that makes him evil. He never came from a good place, he never had a conscience that could be challenged and worn away (at least as far as I can tell). Walt is a monster for entirely different reasons, and they are insidious reasons that are made more devastating because of who he used to be and how he changed. That look he gave *********, the way he told that character the truth only to hurt and destroy them more then anything else ever could, the way he can dismiss his humanity so readily when convenient, the coldness and the breaking of peoples spirit by knowing that to really destroy someone, it has nothing to do with what you do to their body, but their mind and heart. That's what makes Walter White a monster. Martin would have to create a character that we start off relating to, possibly loving, but then they would become a monster that destroys the lives of the innocent, often without even laying a hand on them. I'm not sure Westeros needs that just yet! :P
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Sep. 16th, 2013 09:46 pm (UTC)
>Should be an interesting race.

Yeesss :3
Ray Feighery
Sep. 16th, 2013 09:55 pm (UTC)
Walter had that brief Moment where he literally tried to give up everything to save Hank.

After that though he descended into darkness.It's like he's trying to find the moral man he once was but it's too late now.
Sep. 16th, 2013 11:00 pm (UTC)
I don't know, I think his call to Skylar was a performance. He tried to get them to come with him and found out that was impossible. He tried to take just the baby and found that was impossible too. So I think his call to Skylar was about giving them closure. Let them think that he's just a monster now, which is what they seem to want to believe anyway. He was also burning his bridges so there was no coming back. If anything I think this episode was him being the least monster-like he's been in a very long time.
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Sep. 16th, 2013 10:00 pm (UTC)
Theoretically ...
Only the first part of this Breaking Bad Season was shown during the time frame for emmys. And those weren't a match for the uproar Rains of Castamere has caused.
While I love the books and appreciate the efforts to create the series , I am uncertain it can match House of Cards, Homeland, Breaking Bad ... so curious ... best of luck ... (Haven't seen Mad Men)
James Rutledge Roesch
Sep. 16th, 2013 10:19 pm (UTC)
Still Some Humanity Left In Walter
Walter White has too much of an inner conflict to be more monstrous than some of the remorseless villains of Westeros. Take this latest episode, for instance. Walter fought for Hank's life (he didn't even want those goons there in the first place), even offering up his whole ill-gotten fortune in desperation. Walter's "malicious" phone call at the end was intended to exonerate Skylar, condemn himself, and save what remained of his family. Too little too late? Perhaps, but nevertheless, there's still some remnant of humanity left in Walter. To me, the message of the show is that everyone, even formerly upstanding citizens like Walter, has an inner Heisenberg waiting to be unleashed.
Gato Chungo
Sep. 19th, 2013 03:48 am (UTC)
Re: Still Some Humanity Left In Walter
YESSSSSS!!! Couldn't agree more! :D
Sep. 16th, 2013 10:21 pm (UTC)
ha ha, a lot of people were comparing bastard-Bolton to Todd last night (with Jesse filling in for Theon.. sorta)
Romulo Cesar de Sousa
Sep. 18th, 2013 01:17 pm (UTC)
I think Todd is most dangerous because he is (very) smarter than Ramsay. That plot with Jesse was very disturbing.
I given up wondering what comes next, it is impossible, so let's wait what is coming.
I'm afraid that after finish watching BrBa I could not enjoy any other series (pretty much what happened after I read ASoIaF). The last two episodes were enough to take the place Sopranos had of "best TV show ever" in my heart.
Sep. 16th, 2013 10:30 pm (UTC)
I'd say that Ramsay is worse, but who knows, Breaking Bad isn't over yet! Walt could still be worse.
Sep. 16th, 2013 10:46 pm (UTC)
Hopefully Thrones will do well. The show has fantastic actors and beautiful cinematography, special effects, and awesome writing. I really hope GoT wins.
Jordan Coleman
Sep. 16th, 2013 10:58 pm (UTC)
Yeah Ramsay Bolton and Joffrey Lannister have no remorse at all. Walter White at the very least had the decency last night to take all the blame on himself and off of his family, after he realized the irrepairable damage he done to them.
Sep. 16th, 2013 11:01 pm (UTC)
Walt kicked ass last night. Badass ass.

He and Ramsay Bolton are two of the best villains on TV currently. Were you thinking of making Ramsay even badder? I'm getting excited just thinking about it.
Sep. 17th, 2013 12:34 am (UTC)
Can Breaking Bad be considered for the Emmy's again next year since this has all technically been one season?

Edited at 2013-09-17 12:35 am (UTC)
Sep. 17th, 2013 07:56 am (UTC)
Yes, the first half is nominated this year and the second half will win next year without a shred of a doubt. Which is kinda sad for GOT, because I'm convinced that season 4 will be great and the best so far.
Sep. 17th, 2013 12:34 am (UTC)
I haven't seen Breaking Bad yet, I'm going to begin season 1 the day after the series finale.

This year for Best Drama is a VERY good race - my top two favorite shows are Game of Thrones and Mad Men (remember, haven't seen Breaking Bad yet). Downton Abbey is good too, but only seen season 1 so far.

I also want to watch Hell on Wheels, The Newsroom, and the Killing...any feedback?
Sep. 17th, 2013 12:46 am (UTC)
Walter still has a soul
As bad as Walter is, he's still trying to save his family. That scene where he berates his wife, calls her all kinds of names... he's trying to give her an alibi, so she gets off as the battered wife with no choice but to do as she was told. It comes full circle, where Walt is still trying to take care of his family, as screwed up as it is. He isn't all bad.
Sep. 17th, 2013 12:55 am (UTC)
Re: Walter still has a soul
Hey, Tywin Lannister is all about family too.
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Chris Beasley
Sep. 17th, 2013 01:02 am (UTC)
I totally agree
That episode was amazing, I think Bryan Cranston solidified another best actor win too. I wonder though if all viewers picked up on why he verbally was berating Skylar over the phone at the end, it wasn't malicious on his part. It was an act for the police, Walter had to be sure she was seen as a victim, not an accomplice. It was the scene that was the most touching for me, him sobbing while putting on that abusive voice. I don't think he was angry with her, despite the knife fight. I think he was just still trying to save his family, even though he knew he could no longer be a part of it.
Brian Crawford
Sep. 17th, 2013 06:15 pm (UTC)
Re: I totally agree
Yeah, and during the call I felt Skylar understood he was performing for the police, and realized she might have made a mistake when she said "sorry".

It is funny that i am glad Jesse is a slave for the neo-nazis, while i feel sorry for Walter. I guess Walter is such an empathic figure, who constantly seems to have been doing everything to save the people for which he cared. He also has accepted that the consequences of his decision. In contrast with Jesse, who is a hypocrite, originally wanting to be gangster but not accepting the consequences.

Tywin is a great character but always appeared unsympathetic. Although he always talked about family, he never does any action to show he cares personally about his sons or daughter.
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Sep. 17th, 2013 01:26 am (UTC)
Breaking Bad
Amazing series! One of my favorite of all time, the end of it will be unforgettable!
Albano Calefato
Sep. 17th, 2013 01:46 am (UTC)
Walter White is a bigger monster than anyone in Westeros.

Really? I think Ramsay is worse.


Edited at 2013-09-17 01:48 am (UTC)
Sep. 17th, 2013 01:56 am (UTC)
Is Hank Schrader the Jon Snow of the ABQ?
Incredible episode last night. With Breaking Bad coming to a conclusion my heart hurts, but knowing we have Game of Thrones for years to come puts me a little bit more at ease.

Now, the SOIAF/Breaking Bad analogies have me thinking. Walt may indeed be the Tywin Lannister of Albuquerque but who resembles his noble brother-in-law? It has to be Jon Snow, right?

Hank is driven by duty. He lives and breathes his work with the DEA and is nearly uncompromising in the pursuit of justice. When all others dismiss the chase for Heisenberg, believe it to be a fool's mission, and doubt the extent of his influence, Hank persists. Even his own pursuit of his brother is relentless. Forget all the family barbeques, forget their relationship, justice is justice. For the good of the realm, er, the ABQ, Walt had to be stopped. Last night's episode showed the extent Hank was willing to go to stay true to himself!

I think Jon Snow has similar motives. Being a part of the Night's Watch, the realm's guardian/police force of the North, he has a duty to perform. The Watch has a code and emphasizes honor and protection. They protect the realm from those beyond the wall, just as Hank is responsible for protecting his region from external forces, some of those even coming from cartels beyond the United State's borders. Snow is adamant about following the code of the Watch, he believes in their cause and will do anything to realize that commitment. He wanted to be a ranger, strives to be on the front lines, accepts and desires responsibility. When those around him doubt their cause or ignore its magnitude, like Hank's focus on Heisenberg, Snow keeps the faith, stays focused. Both of these characters suffer physically and mentally for their beliefs, yet continue on.

Sure, there are some differences, they are at odds in aspects of their personalities, have complicated motivations, and they do not obviously share each other's looks. Although Hank's glimmering bald head and his warm, stocky frame may evoke the same heartfelt sensations as the devilish looks as Kit's Jon Snow. It's all in the eye of the beholder! :)

I am certainly savoring these next two weeks of Breaking Bad, with the likes of Game of Thrones, Mad Men, Downton Abbey, and many more shows on the air, this is one of the best periods of television in a long time. Looking forward to the Emmy's.

Jeff Bunting
Sep. 18th, 2013 02:46 am (UTC)
Re: Is Hank Schrader the Jon Snow of the ABQ?
Hank is not like Jon Snow, more like Eddard Stark.
John Thompson
Sep. 17th, 2013 02:24 am (UTC)
As nice as an Emmy would be, I believe that "Game of Thrones" will be the first example that people from here on out will use when asked why anybody should take swords-and-sorcery fantasy seriously.
Sep. 17th, 2013 02:48 am (UTC)
Walt redeemable for his phone call to Skylar? Then what was redeemable about him telling Jesse about watching his girlfriend die when he could have stopped it? And also revealing Jesse hiding under the car? I think Walt has lost his humanity. "Saving" Skylar with that phone call is, IMO, just the other side of the god he tries to play. Regardless, he's still the puppet master pulling all the strings.

This series is brilliant, and the darkest series I've ever watched, a psychological masterpiece. It's the only show where I refuse to be spoiled before an episode about ANYTHING. The adrenalin and roller coaster ride is just too thrilling.

That said, good luck GoT! I see you've already won a few pre-Emmys. I'm rooting for more!
Sep. 17th, 2013 05:43 am (UTC)
Umm Jesse totally deserved whatever he got... it was his fault they were there in the first place and his choices that caused the house of cards to start collapsing.
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Sep. 17th, 2013 03:37 am (UTC)
The creator of one of my favorite things just said that one of my other favorite things is awesome.

This.. is the best not a blog post ever in the history of not a blogs. :)
Sep. 17th, 2013 05:58 am (UTC)
Unfortunately, Emmy voters don't reward content and talent most of the time
While I think BREAKING BAD has greater chances next year, GAME OF THRONES season 4 will be far fresher in the minds of voters. However, the fact that a large portion of Emmy voters likely never watch the shows they are voting for, or the actors for that matter, it will all come down to who showed up to their parties most, and who spent the most to get their vote.

The most prestigious awards are also the least earned by way of talent.

Edited at 2013-09-17 06:00 am (UTC)
Sep. 17th, 2013 07:52 am (UTC)
Breaking Bad was absolutely fantastic. The best episode so far and that's saying something. TV history. And there are still two episodes to go. I'm afraid of what might happen.
Sep. 17th, 2013 08:04 am (UTC)
If you missed the significance of that last phone call... That IS Walter's redemption.
Watch it again. Watch is very closely.

For the first time it's Walt pretending to be Heisenberg, rather than Heisenberg pretending to be Walt. He's crying as he's summoning all the hate of Heisenberg he can. Watch how Skyler reacts and what she says back to certain claims.

He says Skyler knows nothing about his business... but of course she created the money laundering system. In one conversation he creates a false narrative where she had no blame in his crimes when she had long been a willing participant.

At least at that moment that phone call is not the conversation of a monster. It's the human side of a man who has done monstrous things, doing its very best to make amends.

Edited at 2013-09-17 08:07 am (UTC)
Sep. 17th, 2013 02:52 pm (UTC)
BB vs. GoT
GoT just happens to be my favorite television show. The reason for this is because of the attachment that I have for the books and the length of time that they have been held so dear to me. (I have been a fan since ASoS was released).

Having said that, I can fully recognize that what is happening in Breaking Bad is truly monumental. With only some reservations, I can say that the writing is almost as well written as some of Shakespeare's works. The acting in the show has surpassed anything that I have seen on television and is on par with the greatest performances in film.

As GoT fans, we have many years to cheer on the show to win awards. I am sure that you are going to write a finale that is just as good as Breaking Bad's. If this wasn't their conclusion year, (and I consider last's year's series part of the conclusion as it is just one season), I would think that GoT would beat it, but as it stands, I would be fine seeing BB recognized this year.

I do hope that Emilia Clark wins over Anna Gunn is the best supporting category.
Sep. 17th, 2013 04:08 pm (UTC)
Lord Of House Hyssenberg
First of all, I'm so glad to hear you watch Breaking Bad! Secondly, you can totally fit in an evil-as-Walt character. In my assumption, with winter coming and all, there's going to be a ton of backstabbing and conniving in order to survive.

Walt would totally survive a long winter in Westeros, thanks to his ruthlessness. It also helps he has science on his side.

So maybe in your world he's an alchemist who's developed a particularly addictive brand of Shade Of The Evening (with a hint of sky blue in its color), and peasants everywhere are hooked on the stuff. He's even hooked up with a Lyseni shipping company who can help him distribute to places as far as Qarth. He becomes obscenely wealthy. He buys out the Lannisters, who are majorly hurting anyway because of winter. Also, several lives have been ruined on his way to the top - some various lords who've tried to take over his operation, and not to mention all the peasants who are now addicted to his drug, their teeth falling out etc. (even moreso than before)...

Sorry, I just can't control my excitement for the prospect of a Walt-inspired character in your books!
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