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What Movie?

Don't believe everything you read, boys and girls. Especially not on line.

I don't know where this latest round of "there's going to be a GAME OF THRONES movie" nonsense is coming from, but suddenly it is everywhere, and all of us connected with the show and HBO are being bombarded. But nothing has changed.

Let me review, for those who came in late.

The idea of ending GAME OF THRONES with one or more major feature films was first floated oh, three or four years ago. Let me say once again: this was NOT MY IDEA. However, I may have been the first one to mention the notion in public -- where and how I no longer recall -- so somehow I became associated with it.

I did say that I liked the idea. Of course I liked the idea. HOw not? This was back in the early days, where we couldn't even afford to shoot the Battle of the Green Fork and had to knock Tyrion unconscious instead. When the king's hunting party consisted of four guys on foot walking through the woods. At that time, in that context, the idea of big blockbuster movies with a LORD OF THE RINGS sized budget was powerfully attractive.

And the idea is still powerfully attractive. Not just to me, but to many people connected with the show. Actors, directors, producers, writers. How not? It would be a great way to end.

Which doesn't mean it is going to happen. There is great enthusiasm for the notion, sure, but not necessarily from HBO. They are in the TV business, not the feature film business. And those of you with long memories may recall all the rumors about a SOPRANOS movie... a ROME movie... a DEADWOOD movie. Rumors is all they were. And that's all this one is too, at least for now.

Lately the rumors have gotten even more specific. The film will be about Robert's Rebellion. It will be about Dunk & Egg. It will... oh, it's all too silly.

It would still be cool, and I'd still love to see it... but nothing has changed since the last round of rumors. I am still writing THE WINDS OF WINTER. David & Dan are still filming season six. HBO is still in the television business.

Don't take any of this stuff seriously. Clickbait journalism is to journalism as military music is to music.


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Oct. 1st, 2015 12:46 am (UTC)
Do you think the Dunk & Egg novellas would work well as films?
Oct. 1st, 2015 12:47 am (UTC)
Book, show, movie, graphic novel, whatever; I just want to find out what happened at Summerhall!
Oct. 1st, 2015 12:48 am (UTC)
So you're saying there's a chance!
My favorite part of this is when some half-assed news source invents a quote that then gets picked up by several half-assed news sources until it makes its way to usually more reliable sources that use the less reliable sources as a chain of evidence even though each source simply used the previous as part of their chain of evidence in order to qualify the quote as reliable.
Oct. 1st, 2015 12:51 am (UTC)
Just out of curiosity...
Makes perfect sense to me. Out of curiosity, in a totally hypothetical world where wishes are reality -- let's say a movie is made, what would you like portrayed on the silver screen? The Dance of the Dragons? Regency of Aegon III? Aegon IV? DUNK AND EGG? the War of the Ninepenny Kings? Or a blow-out LOTR conclusion to the story?
Oct. 1st, 2015 12:56 am (UTC)
Re: Just out of curiosity...
No one is going to make a movie from some entirely different epoch in Westerosi history, with a whole new set of characters.

If there ever is a movie, it will be part of the current saga, and will star the actors and characters the audience loves.

Now maybe if that one grosses $300 million dollars or so, we can start talking about some of the ideas you're floating there.

But it's all hugely unlikely.
Re: Just out of curiosity... - James Calinaya - Oct. 1st, 2015 03:05 am (UTC) - Expand
Re: Just out of curiosity... - grrm - Oct. 1st, 2015 05:24 am (UTC) - Expand
Re: Just out of curiosity... - BryndenBFish - Oct. 1st, 2015 11:39 am (UTC) - Expand
Oct. 1st, 2015 12:56 am (UTC)
The number of people repeating this movie rumor as fact and are then freaking out about it (in both good and bad ways) is pretty ridiculous. Whatever happened to verifying information before publishing it anyway? Oh. Right. Tabloids and "news" sites that only care about clicks. *le sigh*

Edited at 2015-10-01 12:59 am (UTC)
Collin Heisler
Oct. 1st, 2015 12:58 am (UTC)
Too true
"Clickbait journalism is to journalism as military music is to music."

This. I've seen many websites use the words "Winds of Winter release date" in their article titles and I make a note to myself to never visit those websites. I'll take any news about your upcoming book from you and you alone. The way I see it, if news isn't posted in your LiveJournal, then I don't trust it, nor do I give the article a click.

But I understand why this would annoy you. Maybe somebody horribly misinterpreted your reply to a comment on a previous post talking about a "Robert's Rebellion" movie and you saying that if there were to be a movie, it wouldn't be on that. Who knows with journalism?

Anyways, hopefully this rumor will die off soon.
Oct. 1st, 2015 01:01 am (UTC)
Any news regarding Fevre Dream? It seems it had an A-list director attached, back in 2013, but no news since... :-(
Oct. 1st, 2015 01:04 am (UTC)
Thank God
Thank God. The thought of a movie sucks. Series began on TV, should end on TV.

The only movie I would be open to would be a loyal cartoon adaptation using older animation technology (basically, no CGI). There are some pivotal scenes in the books that no live action TV show/movie could ever hope to emulate but would be absolutely amazing via cartoon. Case in point - the dialogue at the tower of joy. There is an amazing video floating around of the audiobook dialogue of the ToJ set against the Wiki of Ice and Fire illustrations. Not trying to be a kiss-ass but the dialogue at the ToJ is amazingly written and I just think voice actors would be better suited to nail the dialogue while animators focus on the vision of the scene instead of sacrificing vision to nail dialogue or vice versa using live action actors who have to accomplish both areas. Aq

At the very least, maybe we can see a south park version of the Tower of Joy? Ehh? Eh?
Oct. 1st, 2015 01:46 am (UTC)
Not Everything on the Internet is True?
I read you're making a movie about the construction of The Wall.

Not that fictional Ice Wall in your novels but Donald Trump's wall.

And your POV characters were going to be:

Bruce Jenner
Kim Kardashian
Kanye West
"The Trapped Woman" (Kris Jenner)
Bill Belichick
The Ghost of Trayvon Martin
Vladimir Putin
Pope Francis
Dennis Rodman

And also Ser Arys Oakheart (who I'm not sure deserves a chapter but it's cool maybe ISIS will behead him).

Is any of this true?
The Further Adventures of FatBoy & JiveTurkey
Oct. 1st, 2015 01:49 am (UTC)
Is military music really bad?
Seriously, I have no idea.
Oct. 1st, 2015 03:57 am (UTC)
Re: Is military music really bad?
Personally, I think "The Battle Hymn of the Republic" is a pretty inspiring song. And marching chants do serve a useful purpose (keeping time), even if they aren't particularly entertaining. So military music arguably isn't useless, if that's what he meant.

Although in my limited experience, it also tends not to be terribly catchy or thought-provoking, as most music is.
Oct. 1st, 2015 01:53 am (UTC)
I did say that I liked the idea. Of course I liked the idea. HOw not? This was back in the early days, where we couldn't even afford to shoot the Battle of the Green Fork and had to knock Tyrion unconscious instead. When the king's hunting party consisted of four guys on foot walking through the woods.

Even nowadays, with GoT a runaway hit, isn't this still a big stumbling block? There are events in the books that will simply never be possible to portray properly on a TV budget, and as we build towards a climax I can only imagine there will be even more of them.
Brett Anon (TheBrett)
Oct. 1st, 2015 02:18 am (UTC)
RE: Budget
They get better at lobbying for more funding as time goes on, I suppose. Maybe they'll be able to get some extra money for particular episodes later on.
(no subject) - grrm - Oct. 1st, 2015 04:47 am (UTC) - Expand
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Oct. 1st, 2015 01:56 am (UTC)
Australia started it
really sorry, I saw the 'movie' story on Channel 7 this morning

I was excited because I thought it was a new book but then I realised it was a rumour I had already heard :/
Ronald Grimsson
Oct. 1st, 2015 01:59 am (UTC)
That's social media and the tabloids. In the absence of patience and actual news they make up news instead, and normally about the stuff people and themselves would like to hear. I think it was on Twitter someone once asked Maisie Williams if Syrio Forel was coming back. She said something like "I don't know, but it would be cool if he did". And suddenly there was a rumor on the net, claiming that "Maisie Williams says Syrio Forel will return".
(And then there was the claim that the Star Wars teaser "was a wakening for George R. R. Martin, got him all jumpy and made his creative juices flow again".)
Oct. 1st, 2015 04:48 am (UTC)
I remember that one. I did see the STAR WARS teaser -- I see a lot of teasers, I own a movie theatre -- but the story about its impact on me was fiction, start to finish.
Oct. 1st, 2015 02:00 am (UTC)
Thoughts on...
How do you think the LOTR films fare[d] in comparison to the books? I am interested to hear your opinion on this, as I know a vast array of people who often criticize the films... in particular, the decision to leave out classic characters like good ol' Tom Bombadil.

Best from Canada!
Oct. 1st, 2015 04:46 am (UTC)
Re: Thoughts on...
I thought Peter Jackson's LORD OF THE RINGS films were great.

But the books were greater, of course.

Of course, the books are almost always better. Even if the film is terrific. There are a few exceptions, yes... but very few.
movies better than the books - Oskar Hauser - Oct. 1st, 2015 06:57 am (UTC) - Expand
Re: Thoughts on... - Sean Barker - Oct. 1st, 2015 04:28 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: Thoughts on... - grrm - Oct. 1st, 2015 05:39 pm (UTC) - Expand
Brett Anon (TheBrett)
Oct. 1st, 2015 02:16 am (UTC)
RE: movie
Aside from Tyrion getting knocked out and the first shot at the tournament in King's Landing, I thought the show did a pretty decent job in the first season at hiding the limitations in size and scope due to budget. Contrast that with Camelot, which had a higher per-season budget but could never make it look like it was anything other than two or three dozen people (at most) in an empty castle.

I can almost see how you would do the first book as a movie, albeit with some serious cuts and compression. Not so much with the later books.
Oct. 1st, 2015 02:16 am (UTC)
If you didn't know, I'm pretty sure this new wave of movie rumors came from a recent YouTube interview with David and Dan, where the interviewer brought up the idea of a movie and D&D basically did what you did and said it was a cool idea. And of course, that got blown out of proportion, with news sites essentially saying a movie has been confirmed. Clickbait journalism is shameful, you're right. I'm sorry you have to deal with it.
John Nelson
Oct. 1st, 2015 02:17 am (UTC)
I'll tell you where those rumors are coming from...
In the alternative Universe known as "The Internet", there lies a unique Virtual colony the size of a Galaxy known as "Social Media". Some of the inhabitants are rather quite docile and tepid. Some love to flaunt their ridiculously sexy duck face in gratuitous selfies (particularly sitting next to what they are about to eat). Others are just mild mannered adults ranging in the ages of 50-90 enjoying the onslaught of children and grand children's pictures. Other's still are forlorn, depressed and continuously write an incomplete poem entitled "I'm hella bored. FML. What's going on tonight...?"

But..intermingling this society of sexy, tepid, and hella bored individuals lies a pandemic so ghastly, I can hardly mention it in public (let alone on respectable blog posts like this). It's too terrifying to mention with out breaking into a sweat, or the need to roll against your sanity points (A little Chaosium reference for the true schoo' gamers out there). These ghoulish fiends go around during all hours and post constant FIBS AND LIES!!! These aren't just normal human beings. They live in darkness, in subterranean compounds and caves. They blockade bridges and demand money or an answer to a riddle to cross said bridges. They turn to stone in sunlight. They are in fact (DUM DUM DUM). TROLLS
And these Trolls don't post just just any sort of fib or lie either. No, no, no. These fibs and lies have a certain appeal. Meant to invoke paranoia, or excitability, these fiendish fiendish trolls have only one goal in mind: TO CONTROL THE MINDS OF ALL THE INTERNET! For the feed of the negativity and power.
Who knows how these trollish fibs and lies are started. Perhaps it starts off as a hope, a wish, and desire of said Troll. Perhaps one of these trolls, lacking in sleep had a vision of a GoT movie so clear, so detailed it was like he was sitting in an iMax theater. This angered the troll when he woke from his vision. He wanted to spread his wrath from his disappointment, and make others suffer the same delusion. Hence...one night, he typed it all out. The details of what, who, where and when of his delusional vision of the GoT movie. He clicked send. And spread like the green flame of wildfire, his post took down the mental stability, rationality and comprehension of other wise good natured GoT fans who had previously only cared about their sexy selfies, grand children pics and feeling hella bored.

David F
Oct. 1st, 2015 02:23 am (UTC)
Hardhome was the best movie I've seen all year.
Oct. 1st, 2015 02:57 am (UTC)
A song of Ice and Fire
I think people are getting crazy with the lack of updates on Winds of Winter. I know talking about Winds of Winter on here is frowned upon, but...
Oct. 1st, 2015 03:00 am (UTC)
What about the Wild Cards movie? Is it still in dev hell?
Oct. 1st, 2015 04:43 am (UTC)
Yes, alas.

The current option will expire soon, though. Which could mean the project will soon be back in play.
Oct. 1st, 2015 03:31 am (UTC)
It doesn't make sense to me that a movie would be made about something that hasn't been written.

I'm not sure how a GoT movie would work. I'd think it would have to be set during the events of the very end of the series. Could that work as its own stand alone movie?

It makes more sense to me that HBO would make the series finale 2 hours long or something like that.

To be honest, even if they decided to make ADoS an epic theatrical trilogy, I probably wouldn't watch until after reading the books. I'd love it, don't get me wrong, but I have to read it first.
Aaron Vijay Lazarus
Oct. 1st, 2015 03:50 am (UTC)
Most important line in article!
All that mattered to me was this line:


im sure it'll be worth the wait good sir..
jonathan pierce
Oct. 1st, 2015 04:04 am (UTC)
"News" Sites
So very often I see news articles regarding the son of Kong release date, or completely out of context quotes that would like to portray it as some hidden innuendo signaling some pretty off the wall facts, generally taken from this not a blog.

GRRM stated on personal blog that HBO is shooting a Roberts Rebellion Movie. (Taking that one sentence above)

Son of Kong delayed, GRRM used the word 'the' 27 times in his most recent post as a bread crumb to hint only 27 chapters being finished!

Everest will be playing at the Jean Cocteau, proof that Winter has indeed come and an early son of Kong release is imminent!

It's disheartening that on slow news days certain news sites churn out these nonsensical, factually challenged articles.

Though why no one is talking about a certain set in Westeros book that is coming out next week I find equally disheartening. Where is the love for A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms? 10/6/2015.

Oct. 1st, 2015 04:44 am (UTC)
It still stings that Deadwood didn't get a movie and Sex and the City got two.
Oct. 1st, 2015 04:49 am (UTC)
Oct. 1st, 2015 04:54 am (UTC)
Blog pic
Andy Devine and Froggy - talk about a blast from the (very distant) past! Oh, nice NAB too. A GOT movie might be nice, if any of the characters are left alive when the series ends. I know nada about the movie biz, but I imagine the logistics would be horrendous.
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