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  • Aug. 11th, 2006 at 11:45 AM
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Yesterday's post seems to have triggered a huge outpouring of comments, and I see the same issues being discussed all over the internet, in a hundred different places. Needless to say, there's a huge range of opinions, but some of the polls I've looked at suggest the majority of Americans are okay with these new TSA "security" measures because, after all, they are "for our safety."

Sigh.

Can we really have turned into such a nation of compliant sheep? Or maybe it's a question of age. I have a feeling that the people who are most outraged by the TSA and its counterparts around the world are my age or older (I am 57, for a point of reference), because we're the only ones who still remember what it was like to live in a free country.

This erosion of freedom has been going on all my life. It did not happen all at once on a Tuesday, when some fascist government came to power; it happened in dribs and drabs, so gradually that we hardly noticed it, with a law here and a rule there and a little tightening of security over there, and always for our own good, to keep us safe, to protect us.

I am not just talking about air travel either, though airport "security" is perhaps the most egregious and in-you-face example. Our "protectors" have touched almost every facet of modern American life... and I get the feeling there are a lot of people in their twenties and thirties who think that things were always like this.

They weren't.

A few examples.

When I first started selling stories in the early 70s and went to New York City to see my editors, I would walk into the building, check what floor they were on, ride up in an elevator, and tell a receptionist I was there to see Mr. Smith. Now, when I visit my editors, I have to check in with uniformed security guards in the lobby, present a picture ID, clip a badge to my jacket. In some buildings I have to pass through a metal detector, just like in an airport.

When I first started staying at hotels, I would give my name to a desk clerk, who would check my reservation, and then present me with a card to fill out, or a register to sign. No one ever asked to see my identification. No one ever asked to take a credit card imprint. It was understood that you would settle your bill when you checked out, either by credit card, cash, or check. (Yes, I paid by check a lot back then, even in distant cities). You were assumed to be who you said you were... and if you wanted to give a fake name (I didn't, but there were those who did), that was your business too, so long as you paid your bill.

When I was a kid, we always felt free and superior watching World War II movies, where those evil Nazis were forever stopping the heroes and demanding to see "their papers." That would never happen to US, we knew. We were Americans. We did not have to carry "papers." Yet now there's talk of a national ID card, and the driver's license has become almost that by default. A driver's license was intended to prove that you were licensed to operate an automobile, yet now all sorts of people demand to see it for all sorts of things. At the bank, at the grocery store, in the airport, in a thousand other places, you have people refusing to allow you to do your business unless you first show your "papers." We have become the very thing that we once despised.

These are just a few instances. I could cite a hundred more, if I did not have a book to write. Security codes and security guards have become so ubiquitous in this society that we hardly notice them any longer (when I was kid, you only saw guards in banks). More and more jobs and professions require licenses and fees before we are allowed to practice them. Zoning laws and building regulations grow ever more complex and stringent all over the country, so our neighbors and local governments can tell us what we can and cannot do with our own property. And those friendly feds are always there, keeping track of what we read and who we email and listening in on our phone calls. The Bush administration has been the worst offender in this regard, but they are by no means the first.

And it is all to "protect" us.

From who, I wonder?

I don't feel safer than I did when I was twenty. Far from it. I do feel less free. We live in an atmosphere of suspicion and mistrust and fear, and when we dare to raise our voices in protest, there is always some yahoo ready to tell us to shut up and leave these matters to the proper authorities, that it is all to keep us safe. And it seems there will always be a large sheepish majority ready to accept whatever new rule or regulation is being promulgated. "Baaa, baaa, it's to keep us safe, baaa, baaa, it's for our own good, baaa, baaa, it's just a little thing, nothing important, only an inconvenience, why do you want privacy if you don't have something to hide, baaa, baaa, baaa."

These people have forgotten what it was like to be free. Maybe they never knew.

What is "freedom," anyway? We could debate that for hundreds of posts, I'm sure, and maybe we will. The way I see it, however, it has got to mean more than just being able to choose between a Republican and a Democrat every few years. I want all the rights and freedoms guaranteed me in the Bill of Rights, certainly... including the one protecting me against unreasonable searches and seizures that we have abrogated in the name of safety and airport "security." But the Bill of Rights should not be the end of it. The right to privacy may have been invented by the Supreme Court rather than the Founding Fathers, you can argue that as you will, but however it came about, it's a pretty nifty right and I'd like to hang on to it. I want the right to do stupid, hazardous, self-destructive stuff as well; to drink absinthe, smoke pot, smoke tobacco, drive my car without the seatbelt, bungee jump off bridges, watch porn, order my eggs sunny-side up and my hamburgers rare, have unprotected sex, drink unpasteurized milk. I have only done a few of those things, actually (I will leave it to you to figure out which ones), and most I would never consider -- but I SHOULD have the right to do all of them. The choice should be mine, not yours, and not the government's. Giving individuals a CHOICE in how we live is our lives is the essence of freedom, I think.

And shouldn't ordinary law-abiding people have the basic, fundamental right not to be treated like goddamned criminals everywhere they go?

The world is a hazardous place, certainly... but you know, the world has always been a hazardous place (in the cosmic scheme of things, it was not so long ago that we were building walls around our towns and cities), yet in the end, all men must die. The important thing is how we live while we're still here, and I would sooner live free, even if that means more risk. A police state is always safer than a free country, so long as you stay on the right side of those police, but I'd rather not live in one all the same.

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[info]skull_bearer wrote:
Aug. 11th, 2006 07:27 pm (UTC)
*applause*
[info]mat33 wrote:
Aug. 13th, 2006 12:20 am (UTC)
1984
I thought, no one of notice in the first world would have the guts to speak out.
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[info]baine_darkwolf wrote:
Aug. 11th, 2006 07:28 pm (UTC)
*seconded*
[info]aislinn wrote:
Aug. 11th, 2006 07:29 pm (UTC)
If you were president of the united states, how would you do things differently? Right now. Today. What would you do differently about security at airports?
I'm not asking with an agenda. I'm just curious.
[info]cabbageboylsmsa wrote:
Aug. 11th, 2006 07:41 pm (UTC)
That's really not a fair question, whether you're biased or not. Politicians spend years honing their campaigns; have dozens of advisors and lackeys to furnish them with statistics and evidence to back their claims; and (most importantly) aren't told to get back to their corner and write every three comments. ; )
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what to do? - [info]grrm - Aug. 11th, 2006 08:17 pm (UTC) Expand
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Uh George, silly idea..... - (Anonymous) - Aug. 13th, 2006 11:16 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Uh George, silly idea..... - [info]jedigandalf - Aug. 14th, 2006 02:12 pm (UTC) Expand
You mean interfere with "free markets"...... - (Anonymous) - Aug. 15th, 2006 03:23 am (UTC) Expand
Re: You mean interfere with "free markets"...... - (Anonymous) - Aug. 15th, 2006 05:15 am (UTC) Expand
I think the 9/11 report refutes you..... - (Anonymous) - Aug. 15th, 2006 01:44 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: what to do? - Drawback - [info]jedigandalf - Aug. 14th, 2006 02:38 pm (UTC) Expand
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If I was president.... - (Anonymous) - Aug. 14th, 2006 10:18 am (UTC) Expand
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[info]autopope wrote:
Aug. 11th, 2006 07:30 pm (UTC)
Well said!

I think the only point you missed out is, cui bono?
[info]kativy wrote:
Aug. 11th, 2006 07:30 pm (UTC)
Preach it.
[info]missysedai wrote:
Aug. 11th, 2006 07:31 pm (UTC)
And shouldn't ordinary law-abiding people have the basic, fundamental right not to be treated like goddamned criminals everywhere they go?

YES! THANK YOU!

I'm appalled that we've turned into a nation of chickenshits.

[info]mikkhiel wrote:
Aug. 12th, 2006 10:13 pm (UTC)
amen, sister.

you can't stop them if they really want it bad enough, but you can choose to not be afraid.
[info]spiritmage788 wrote:
Aug. 11th, 2006 07:34 pm (UTC)
This post makes me happy.
[info]brigidsblest wrote:
Aug. 11th, 2006 07:34 pm (UTC)
Oh, gods, thank you. Permission to post a link to this in my own journal?
[info]grrm wrote:
Aug. 11th, 2006 07:49 pm (UTC)
link
Sure, be my guest.
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TONGUE PLANTED FIRMLY IN CHEEK - [info]cavalaxis - Aug. 11th, 2006 08:51 pm (UTC) Expand
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[info]ex_hunterxaz282 wrote:
Aug. 11th, 2006 07:35 pm (UTC)
Well said. =)
[info]0rko wrote:
Aug. 11th, 2006 07:35 pm (UTC)
This is awesome. Everyone should read this.
[info]mxlplx wrote:
Aug. 11th, 2006 07:36 pm (UTC)
I think fear is the best political currency there is, even more so today. You can pretty much buy anything with it.
[info]jecono wrote:
Aug. 11th, 2006 07:37 pm (UTC)
I fully agree. Especially now that we face the airport security of the U.S. on Sunday...
[info]streamweaver wrote:
Aug. 11th, 2006 07:37 pm (UTC)
At only 40 years old I understand the sentiments here. I too remember a time where we all felt much more free. I remember where seat belt laws were the front line of the personal freedom debate. It's ironic that I should feel less safe now than I did growing up during the cold war, when movies like "The Day After" were seen as almost documentaries.

I joined the U.S. Army in 1987 when freedom was the badge of honor, the thing we prided ourselves on most of all in the face of communism. I was still in the Army when the Berlin wall came down and when the Soviet Union came crashing down.

Since that time I've watched in horror as we became the exact idiots the Russians always accused us of being.

These are indeed sad times.
[info]infestacool wrote:
Aug. 11th, 2006 07:37 pm (UTC)
I wonder if you were to run for president if you'd have enough readers in the US to get elected?

But don't do that until A Song of Ice and Fire is complete.
[info]arrakas wrote:
Aug. 11th, 2006 07:38 pm (UTC)
I am in total agreement! Makes me worry about the real meaning of freedom and how far we have to go to have it in the eyes of our government. :\ I work at a grocery store and never feel right when asking people for their driver's license when it comes to their orders.
[info]_aqualung_ wrote:
Aug. 12th, 2006 06:03 pm (UTC)
You have to ask for a liscense? Is is just for alcohol or tobbaco?
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[info]claudiag wrote:
Aug. 11th, 2006 07:38 pm (UTC)
With regards to the age gap, I think perhaps you're missing a lot of the outrage. Check sites like Fark.com and Slashdot.org for commentary on how the younger "techie" generation feel about the restrictions being placed on them. They might surprise you. As for the sheep bleating about safety, the sad fact is they are people who are being controlled by fear: fear of an unknown boogeyman. For us, it's the terrorists; fifty years ago it was the Communists. There always has to be something to keep the populace in line, after all, and fear is the most effective way to do that.

I leave you with this, a comment I find frightening both because of its origin, and because of how apt it is in our current day and age:

"Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."

- Hermann Goering
[info]_aqualung_ wrote:
Aug. 12th, 2006 06:04 pm (UTC)
Yes, but a lot of them don't vote. They sit on the sidelines and complain about what's going on, but don't do anything about it.

Spare me...
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[info]yagathai wrote:
Aug. 11th, 2006 07:38 pm (UTC)
Hear hear! But how do we wind back the clock? Heinlein-brand libertarianism looks more and more utopian every day, and less and less achievable.
[info]nightsinger wrote:
Aug. 11th, 2006 10:04 pm (UTC)
Seconded. I may only be 22, but I grew up on Heinlein and the like... Having that sort of freedom of choice is something I am very passionate about and very angry at not receiving.

Honestly, I can't help but wonder how much longer the populace will accept this sort of nonsense.
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[info]go_zombie_go wrote:
Aug. 11th, 2006 07:41 pm (UTC)
*applaud*

I agree with you wholeheartedly, Mr. Martin. I'm (only) 27 years old, but I'm afraid of what our nation is becoming because I'm aware of what it was like in the "good ol' days".

I've heard of people moving George Orwell's 1984 out of the Fiction section of libraries and putting them in the Current Events. He may have got the year wrong, but we seem to be moving toward it nonetheless.
[info]distaff_exile wrote:
Aug. 11th, 2006 09:07 pm (UTC)
I'd say add "The Handmaid's Tale" to that. I reread it last night... it scared me, not because of what was possible, but because of what I saw that mirrored today.
[info]codecattx wrote:
Aug. 11th, 2006 07:41 pm (UTC)

Problem is we need some Aces to match the Jokers.
[info]garpu wrote:
Aug. 11th, 2006 07:42 pm (UTC)
Have I mentioned today that I love you?
[info]common_as_stone wrote:
Aug. 11th, 2006 07:42 pm (UTC)
I am only 30 but I feel exactly the same way. It is out of control. I wistfully long for the happily ignorant days of my childhood when I honestly felt proud to be a citizen of this country which always stood for freedom (so I was told). It all seems like a sick joke these days.
[info]common_as_stone wrote:
Aug. 11th, 2006 07:43 pm (UTC)
& thank you for speaking your mind, by the way.
[info]thebitingfaery wrote:
Aug. 11th, 2006 07:44 pm (UTC)
GRRM, you kick fundamental and serious ass, and what you're saying is something most of this nation really needs to have blasted into their heads even if it needs to be physically shoved through the ear canal and directly into the grey matter. One is more likely to die of an infected cat scratch than a terrorist attack. Perhaps we should ban all pets just in case!

FEARFEARFEARFEAR
(Anonymous) wrote:
Sep. 1st, 2006 06:57 pm (UTC)
Um, maybe YOU are more likely to die of a cat scratch than a terrorist attack, but some of us actually WERE in New York five years ago next week...some of us even lived through the WTC attacks.

So, yeah. Try again to make a sensible point without assuming that everyone lives in bumfuck-wherever-terrorists-won't-hit.
[info]justyuekitylor wrote:
Aug. 11th, 2006 07:45 pm (UTC)
This country is becoming more and more like "Animal Farm".
[info]_aqualung_ wrote:
Aug. 12th, 2006 06:06 pm (UTC)
I was thinking "1984".
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[info]kingofmars wrote:
Aug. 11th, 2006 07:46 pm (UTC)
Yet again, I agree completely. The way I see it, people will never feel safe no matter what measures are taken. It just depends on whether individuals feel unsafe because of terrorists or because of their government.

And thanks for talking about what things were like years ago, too. I'm only 18, so hearing stuff like that really helps put my feelings into perspective.

I wouldn't be surprised if I find myself living in Switzerland or Sweden someday, just to get away from North America and all the crap that goes with it.
[info]dragonladych wrote:
Aug. 13th, 2006 10:48 am (UTC)
Believe me things are not always better here in Switzerland! It's a smaller scale because we're a smaller country but we have the same sort of problems (racism, too many people making all the money, etc, etc...) it's just not as obvious.
You were not born then but in Switzerland we also had a big scandal in the early 80's where people discovered they had been surveyed and had little "fiches" about their "suspicious" behaviour stored somwhere by the governement. The days of the cold war.

People of your generation and are aware of the problems like you should not give up and leave the country but do whatever they can to keep this awareness going. Just keep that awareness and you'll help your country more than you imagine! Don't let the sheep win :)

But you're welcome to visit Switzerland some day still!
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[info]steevi wrote:
Aug. 11th, 2006 07:47 pm (UTC)
From my most recent post...
"... while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the annunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance, and depression. And where once you had the freedom to object, think, and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillence coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. I know why you did it. I know you were afraid. Who wouldn't be? War, terror, disease. There were a myraid of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense. Fear got the best of you, and in your panic you turned to the now high chancellor. He promised you order, he promised you peace, and all he demanded in return was your silent, obedient consent." ~ V for Vendetta

[info]thebitingfaery wrote:
Aug. 11th, 2006 07:52 pm (UTC)
Re: From my most recent post...
Nice.
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