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STAR TREK

Saw the new STAR TREK movie last night.

No spoilers here, just a resounding thumbs down. Take a pass.

The actors do a very creditable job of creating young versions of all the familiar characters from Classic Trek, but the writing sucks start to finish, and the science fictional aspects are ludicrous even for STAR TREK. Fans of the old show might like the film... but then again, maybe not, since it's a "reboot" (Hollywoodese for "retcon") and pisses all over the original continuity.

Me, I think they should just let this tired, tired franchise die. STAR WARS too. I don't ever need to see another wookie, or another klingon. (They won't, of course. Not so long as there's one more nickle to be made. I know how Hollywood works).

I love SF, and I love space opera, but can't we have some new characters in a new universe? Even BATTLESTAR GALACTICA was a retread, albeit a much more interesting one than anything Trek or SW has done in decades. We did have FIREFLY, short lived as it was... but there's room for more. Let's have television versions of Honor Harrington and Miles Vorkosigan. Let's have someone film the Praxis series by Walter Jon Williams, the best space opera I've read in years. Let's have anything that isn't Trek or STAR WARS.

If they really must remake old shows, screw it, let them remake Tom Corbett, Space Cadet, or Rocky Jones, Space Ranger. Pinto Vortando rules!!!

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ragnarok_2012
May. 10th, 2009 09:02 pm (UTC)
I would LOVE to see a solid film version of Honor Harrington or Vorkosigan.

I haven't read the Praxis series. But since you're mentioning it in the same breath as Honor Harrington I think I'll check it out in the near future. Thanks for the recommendation.

I did enjoy the new Star Trek. I admit that there were weaknesses gallore, and I liked it nonetheless.
lovefromgirl
May. 10th, 2009 10:48 pm (UTC)
Seconding! Harrington more than Vorkosigan, if only because I loves me some female heroes and B5-era Claudia Christian would've made a great Honor, oh yes.
(no subject) - ragnarok_2012 - May. 11th, 2009 04:39 am (UTC) - Expand
firerosearien
May. 10th, 2009 09:05 pm (UTC)
Dang.

Everyone else I know loved the movie.
mopsie2002
May. 10th, 2009 09:20 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I really liked it. :) As did the other people I went with. Between us, we had everything from never watched to huge Trekkie, and all liked it.
(no subject) - nimbrethil - May. 13th, 2009 04:13 pm (UTC) - Expand
hotclaws
May. 10th, 2009 09:10 pm (UTC)
I'd vote for Niven's unknown space tales,we have the technology to do the aliens now,
colubra
May. 10th, 2009 09:18 pm (UTC)
I gotta second this one. Those stories (and that storyworld) would really lend themselves to episodic drama delightfully. Or perhaps a group of miniseries.
wiredwizard
May. 10th, 2009 09:16 pm (UTC)
As much as I may have enjoyed the new Star Trek, I really *would love to see Honor Harrington, tv series or movie franchise - just not as a cartoon...
ed_fortune
May. 10th, 2009 09:19 pm (UTC)
Loved it, no 'Wrath of Kahn' but as good as 'First Contact'.
fellowmartian
May. 11th, 2009 05:43 pm (UTC)
Ow.

I thought you said you liked it.

First Contact was pants.
coltaine777
May. 10th, 2009 09:28 pm (UTC)
George I have to respectfully disagree. I enjoyed myself very much watching this movie despite the holes in the plot. I agree there's a lack of imagination in Hollywood right now.
hippoiathanatoi
May. 10th, 2009 09:29 pm (UTC)
For the view of Trekkies, see here. ;)

I'm looking forward to it, personally, and may go see it with Linda next week.

That said, new space opera for the 21st century... Well, there's the forthcoming [i]Stargate Universe[/i] I suppose, but I guess it's part of another tried-and-true franchise.
psiwulf7
May. 11th, 2009 01:49 pm (UTC)
I've always thought that the Warhammer 40k universe would be a good source for a Sci-Fi series. Particularly, any of the series by Abnett.

Maybe even *specifically* Abnett. Most 40k novels are awful!
zekkass
May. 10th, 2009 09:33 pm (UTC)
Thank you. You're the first person on my flist here to not like the movie, which is what I needed.

I'm a stickler for the original series, and heck. I'd prefer an adaptation of some obscure Sci-Fi novels over 'new' Star Trek.
reebchan
May. 10th, 2009 09:38 pm (UTC)
Hey, now! I'd love to see Miles Vorkosigan on the screen, but with you stealing Peter Dinklage for A Game of Thrones, who the hell do you think is talented enough to pull him off?
ragnarok_2012
May. 10th, 2009 11:15 pm (UTC)
Gary Oldman + CGI :D
douglascohen
May. 10th, 2009 09:40 pm (UTC)
I liked it in a mindless sort of way, but my argument is that it didn't feel like Star Trek.
jonaskaufman
May. 10th, 2009 09:44 pm (UTC)
i liked it, but i had the proper expectation.

What i expected was an action-adventure romp with Star Trek makeup. And it does that very well.

But it's not real Star Trek, there's no moralizing, or allegory, or anything like that.

So, it was a poor "Star Trek" movie, but (in my opinion) a great action movie.
count_01
May. 10th, 2009 10:22 pm (UTC)
I second this: I went in expecting a great action flick wherein a lot of stuff blows up and they campily pay apparently sincere homage to the old series (pretty well, I thought) and keep the tradition of ignoring plot in favor of flashy effects and operatic moments of severe overacting. You know, kind of like Star Trek 3: the Search for More Money.

It was no Undiscovered Country, but it was big mindless fun, which I demand in a summer blockbuster, and I especially expect in an inheritor of a longstanding franchise.

That said, I would love, love to see an Honor Harrington space opera, or even Ray Bradbury's Martian Chronicles, either of which would lend themselves pretty well to big-screen shoot-em-ups. (the Chronicles, of course, would need to be pretty extensively re-worked, now we've seen some bits of the surface up-close, but that's neither here nor there)
linfer
May. 10th, 2009 09:45 pm (UTC)
Fans of the old show might like the film.
I hate the film, because I love TOS. Especially the new Spock was a terribly twisted version of the old one and yes, they piss all over te original continuity to use your very fitting words.

Right now I'm trying to pretend I never watched it. ;)
mort_q
May. 10th, 2009 11:33 pm (UTC)
That's what I did with Star Trek V... it never happened.
kizeesh
May. 10th, 2009 09:49 pm (UTC)
I thought it was mediocre at best
The main plot was a retread of at least two of the earlier movies, with added teenage angst as a sideplot. The dialogue was at times so painful it hurt and the shoehorning in of things for each character to do was beyond irritating.
However nothing, but nothing was as continually frustrating and distracting as the CONSTANT LENS FLARE and Light Refractions on the frame.

If they were doing old sci-fi I'd want to see a live action version of the E.E. Doc Smith Skylark series. (or E.E. Smith PHD as he's apparently now known)
Failing that we must be due a Stainless Steel Rat or two.
Maybe a Citizen of the Galaxy? or a Between Planets?
grrm
May. 10th, 2009 11:40 pm (UTC)
retread
I agree completely about the main plot being a retread.

How many times are they going to do the, "big alien thingamabob headed for Earth, only the ENTERPRISE can stop it" magilla?

First time it was v'ger. Next it was a Borg cube. This time it was bunch of Romulans who had somehow stolen a Shadow ship from BABYLON 5 (JMS should sue). A mining ship, right.

And when did the Romulans all go bald and get covered with tattoos? That part was new, at least. Stupid, but new.

Re: retread - alierakieron - May. 11th, 2009 12:06 am (UTC) - Expand
Re: retread - liedra - May. 11th, 2009 12:35 am (UTC) - Expand
Re: retread - lkrobinson - May. 11th, 2009 01:09 am (UTC) - Expand
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Re: retread - kathrynthefair - May. 11th, 2009 02:42 am (UTC) - Expand
Re: retread - kizeesh - May. 11th, 2009 11:53 am (UTC) - Expand
Re: retread - angrylagomorph - May. 19th, 2009 02:15 pm (UTC) - Expand
SS Rat - josh_b_mcc - May. 11th, 2009 12:27 pm (UTC) - Expand
windresistant
May. 10th, 2009 09:53 pm (UTC)
I hope you realize they already have signed a contract for at least one (perhaps two) sequel(s) to this Star Trek. I liked it as a fun film, but star trek was always good at stories. I don't think these writers can pull off an even semi-good movie a second time.
mela_lyn
May. 10th, 2009 10:20 pm (UTC)
There are 2 confirmed sequels. Katz says they might film them adjecently... makes me wonder what they are planning. Ever since The Lord of the Rings that's become really popular.
(no subject) - willem_manderly - May. 14th, 2009 02:36 am (UTC) - Expand
gauroth
May. 10th, 2009 09:53 pm (UTC)
Have you watched 'Farscape'? A space opera cut off in its prime; but there's a feature-length film, 'The Peacekeeper Wars', which wrapped things up. It's a very wry series.

My BFF is a Trekkie, and I'll be going to see the new film with her with some trepidation. I confess, I find it easiest to regard SF films as always taking place in an AU. Or, if they're really bad, I regard them as fanfiction. I find that that soothes my nerves.
jenjaina
May. 11th, 2009 12:37 am (UTC)
I second this! Farscape was a wonderful SF TV show.
Farscape... - erikleach - Jun. 10th, 2009 04:51 am (UTC) - Expand
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