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Joe Should Go

I wish I was a United States Senator, so I could introduce a bill to strip Joe Lieberman of his American citizenship.

You know, Golden Rule and all that. Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander. What goes around comes around.

Joe Lieberman = Al Gore's Biggest Mistake.



May. 11th, 2010 09:50 pm (UTC)
Re: Strip people of citizenship?
Ok to your first reply. What titles did I throw around? The only thing I said about the military is "my soldiers" when talking about people who have it way worse then those whom commit suicide not way worse then you. You were the one content with pompous titles and credentials. "Ranger" "Master's Degree", etc. You have no idea what I do nor what my background is. So I can assume you will reroute that ridiculous comment back to yourself. I never preached to you of any sacrifice that you need to make at all so I have no idea where that came from. I merely suggested you watch a good program about great Americans. From this you derived that I was insinuating you were not a great American and felt the need to defend yourself by saying you look in the mirror and see one. That's great, so do I. But I still like to know when I may better myself with good content and see what I can do to emulate even greater Americans. I mean you made it clear you are a historian so you would think it would interest you. What names did I call you? I did make references to liberals but if you are not, fair enough. That's not exactly a stinger and as a ranger I'm sure you've heard worse. I am torn by your comment about them not being mutually inclusive. I agree that both can be done because they are unrelated. But that was my point. They are unrelated but you found the comparison and I felt the comparison was weak. I agree that we need to keep jobs in America but I don't think punishing companies for finding a better opportunity is fair. Maybe it's just the capitalist in me. If this country makes it harder for a company to make a profit through regulation and taxes then why wouldn't they go somewhere to make more money. However, the reason I said anything at all was you were comparing terrorists to Wall Street and I think the relationship is apples and oranges. Terrorists want to maliciously kill innocent people and cause chaos, I'm pretty sure Wall Street doesn't do that. I hope your brother stays safe in Afghanistan because I'll have it easier in Iraq when I leave in June. I will read the next thing you posted later when I get a chance. Oh and I don't need your DD214, the Ranger Creed, the Soldiers creed, NCO Creed, or anything else. Call me naive but I have a tendency to believe people even on message boards. But I will leave you with a suggestion like you did me. Do not take everything I am disagreeing with you on as an attack. I was actually surprised to see you defending yourself so vehemently because it didn't seem like what I posted was particularly malicious.
May. 12th, 2010 12:26 pm (UTC)
Re: Strip people of citizenship?
This was the reason for my response:

"Anyway, after reading your post I realized you are just beating around the bush about the answer to my question. Which is essentially yes, you would trade 1 life for 100,000 jobs. That is the problem with liberals, progressives, democrats, whatever. They are statist."

How would you normally take that? Also . . .

"Now I love the arguments liberals make about how 'evil corporations' inadvertently cause death"

Seeing as I had just made that argument, are you saying you were not calling me a liberal, and that in using the term "liberal" you were not meaning it as an insult?

Like it or not, the term "liberal" is certainly used as a pejorative and an invective from those in the conservative spectrum (please, feel free to correct me if you think I am wrong). It just did not seem like anything I suggested or referenced was dependent upon a particular political ideology.

I was not trying to compare Wall Street to terrorists, so on that I should have been much more clear, but it was more of a comment derived from discussions I have had with others outside of this board. Let's just put it down to me continuing a conversation here and not filling anyone in on the first half of the conversation. I will stand by my statement that the loose and destructive actions by Wall Street from 2000-2008 certainly did more damage than one SUV bomb ever could.

As far as corporations go, they are not evil. They are responsible for employing tens of millions of people in this country. The officers of a company have one, and only one, responsibility: To ensure a profit for their stockholders. Perhaps that is why I favor privately held companies as opposed to publicly traded ones. I am not saying companies need to be punished (unless they engage in illegal behavior (such as Enron)); but I do find it abhorrent that an American company will buy a pair of jeans made in China for $4.25, and from workers who are being paid $0.06 an hour, and then turn around and charge $75 for said pair of jeans. Meanwhile, China is happy to then take the profits from such a manufacturing situation and lend the money at interest to the United States. Sorry, but on the part of the American corporation, that is treasonous and has a strong parallel to the elites of the Ottoman Empire and their dealings with France and England, et al during the seventeenth century.

Perhaps I lean away from the laissez-faire capitalism of Adam Smith and more towards Ordoliberalism. I believe it is the government's responsibility to ensure a country's economic system cannot be brought to the brink of collapse due to abuses in a non-regulated environment.

As far as America: The Story of Us, I actually had already recorded the the first episode because I felt the CGI of the settlements would be helpful in class.

One last thing, Ranger and Masters are not pompous titles. Duke, baron, and king are examples of pompous titles. They don't have to be earned. There is nothing wrong with being proud of the things you worked so hard for, and saying such, particularly when it certainly appeared my nature as a "true American' was being questioned.


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