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Deja Vu

So I accidentally bumped into this on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9_bP219ehQ

I came away feeling I had seen this before. Or something very similar.

I had:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs5bnVoZK4Q

Have to admit, this sent a cold chill up my spine.

Deja vu can be a bitch.

Or, as someone famous once said, those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

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mmepompadour
Jul. 22nd, 2010 08:08 pm (UTC)
/shudder indeed
riath
Jul. 22nd, 2010 08:13 pm (UTC)
Huh, the lyrcis to Star Spangled Banner seemed to have changed since I moved out of the US. Doomed to repeat history indeed.
grrm
Jul. 22nd, 2010 08:16 pm (UTC)
No, the lyrics haven't changed.

There are four verses to the song, actually. No one ever sings any of them but the first. Except this singing teabagger.

The later verses have some... er... lines that are very much of the times. One about washing out "foul footsteps" of the British with their blood, for instance.
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hippoiathanatoi
Jul. 22nd, 2010 08:20 pm (UTC)
A fine singing voice, I have to say. The argument behind it, I'm less sure about. One can just as well note that Jefferson cut the Bible to pieces to remove all the mystical stuff, or that Ben Franklin (and many other Founding Fathers) weren't really Christians.

I always preferred Casablanca's use of La Marseilles for jingoistic propaganda purposes, though. No one can make a song about the watering the fields with the blood of invaders and traitors sound so rousing as the French.
terraprime
Jul. 22nd, 2010 09:17 pm (UTC)
I was going to post this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KL76edqCKc

It's the perfect counterpoint, imo.
gute_fee
Jul. 22nd, 2010 08:21 pm (UTC)
I think I love you even more for posting this. You are my hero in so many ways.
stegoking
Jul. 22nd, 2010 08:25 pm (UTC)
What embarrasses me so completely is that this man was a Marine.

The crazies were always such a small population in the Corps, but they existed. When Promise-Keepers became big, there were a few of those. I was embarrassed to know a couple.

The infamous line that 'there are no Atheists in a foxhole' is pure propaganda, however. Most of us are.

But those few crazies sure are loud.
onecrayon
Jul. 23rd, 2010 12:42 am (UTC)
I hear the atheists in the foxholes thing and I usually reply that there are few real Christians out of the foxholes. Few of the religious proclaimers I know have ever actually read the bible. If they did they would be horrified about what it reports Jesus actually said.
reynardine
Jul. 22nd, 2010 08:34 pm (UTC)
OMG, that was my first thought when seeing that clip. I was waiting for the crowd to join in just like they did in the movie.

But I will give it to the crazy teabagger, he did have a very fine voice.
foolishfrog
Jul. 22nd, 2010 08:35 pm (UTC)
Separation of church and state
What I wonder is how many Tea Party supporters actually have thought through the importance of the separation of church and state.

The alternative is having an official state religion, presumably with the federal government in charge of determining what is and isn't Christian.

If you are in favor of reducing government interference in people's lives you should be all for the separation of church and state.
saxster
Jul. 22nd, 2010 08:38 pm (UTC)
So, you're buying into the Mainstream's demonization of the Tea Party, that was hijacked by the Right Wing? The Tea Party was founded by Moderates and Libertarians, Ron Paul, with many roots right here in Texas for one thing.

Yes, forgetting history indeed is the problem. Forgetting American history for one thing, and allowing lunatics in both "Major" parties to continue to play this tennis match with our beliefs, individual rights and freedoms and the Republic.

God is mentioned in American the Beautiful, too. What shall we do? We could always get Beyonce to write us a new secular Hip-hop anthem or maybe find a good atheist to do the job. Then what would this solve? We would infuriate and alienate all the people that do believe in God and the arguments go on and on.

Being American means dealing with being offended by Free Speech, the beliefs of others, books, music et al. It means living in danger because Freedom by its very nature is a dangerous business. We should not be allowing powers disguised as protections to strip us of our Rights, no matter how dire the consequences might seem, because I can assure you, most of what has been done already in less than a decade following 9-11 haven't been done so much for the poor 3rd World victims of our Military Industrial Complex as they have been put into place to quell us, the American People, now and in the future. That is, if we let them continue.

The long and the short of things, if Americans do not start worrying more about the United States as a Nation and learn to find what's the common ground among us all -- if we do not learn to stop allowing this out-of-control Federal Government from constantly pushing us into a Racial Divide (all for political gains) -- we are done for as a Republic.

The Global Government won't be like the Federation in Star Trek, folks. Would be nice, but history shows us what tyrants do with ultimate power and if we let the sovereignty of the U.S. drop into the oceans all in the name of Political Correctness, aspiring to more lies about "Hope & Change" or "WMDs", we are deserving of no Freedom at all.

As Ben Franklin was asked so long ago: "What have we got, a republic or a monarchy?"

"A republic if you can keep it," responded Franklin.
saxster
Jul. 22nd, 2010 08:55 pm (UTC)
And yes, that's a typo on "America the Beautiful"...doh.
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bellerophon9
Jul. 22nd, 2010 08:41 pm (UTC)
I think the criticism here is a bit overblown. Its distressing that people are so quick to condemn the other side's extremes but are so blind to their own. Honestly, comparing the singing of the national anthem, even one of the secondary verses with its jingoism, to Nazi propaganda is overly dramatic.

It's troubling to me that people are so quick to demonize and dehumanize their opponents.(comparing peaceful demonstrators to Nazis and calling them teabaggers does both). Don't misunderstand me, there is plenty of this coming from the right as well, but that does not make it OK for the left to do it.

Being patriotic and conservative does not make one crazy. Neither does being progressive.
grrm
Jul. 22nd, 2010 08:53 pm (UTC)
Have you watched the two clips?

The similarity is eerie.

Even to the salute.
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wrona
Jul. 22nd, 2010 08:44 pm (UTC)
"Smaller government" doesn't really mesh with "using government to force your religion on others." Nice job by the teabaggers of maintaining a perfect zero on credibility...
saxster
Jul. 22nd, 2010 09:00 pm (UTC)
Like using "a sexual act" as a means of degrading of a huge segment of Americans gives you any credibility.

If referring to "God" destroys your beliefs, you've got some very fragile beliefs.
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siamkor
Jul. 22nd, 2010 08:52 pm (UTC)
Speaking of bitch, that one reminded me of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2n9lIrT7aM

One of the finest moments in movie history. :)
marina_bonomi
Jul. 22nd, 2010 08:52 pm (UTC)
Actually the separation of church and state came about *with* christianity "Then give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's.". Not always respected but it's spelled very clearly there.

Before, both in Greece and in Rome one had to follow the religion of the state or risk being tried ('empiety' was a crime) in Rome's case it was mandatory to sacrifice to the Emperor, that's why many christians went under trial for 'atheism'.
saxster
Jul. 22nd, 2010 09:08 pm (UTC)
Excellent point. Just as Christianity brought about the end of most slavery worldwide after many centuries, due in no small part to religious discourse and Christian introspection.

Amazing Grace (movie): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6Cv5P9H9qU


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silentounce
Jul. 22nd, 2010 08:59 pm (UTC)
I really need to stop reading this blog. It makes me want to stop buying your books.

I'm with saxster and bellerophon9. And yes, I watched both clips all the way through.

I don't have a problem with your views and politics, but it's how you go about expressing them. The elitist, condescending, snarky attitude doesn't sit well with me. I guess it's not likely that you care but I figured I'd post anyway. Same reason I can't stand Le Show.

I'm a little right of center. But that doesn't mean that I think everyone to the left is an idiot for being so. It'd be nice to be treated the same by someone who appears to be intelligent and courteous person by all other counts.
ship_in_harbor
Jul. 22nd, 2010 09:16 pm (UTC)
And yet it's his blog, his LJ, and he can say whatever he damn well pleases in it.
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gilthans
Jul. 22nd, 2010 09:16 pm (UTC)
Its dangerous to compare to the Nazis in this matter, because any nationalist could be compared the Nazis, and not every nationalist is bad. Nationalism can be very productive when channeled correctly.

The Nazi characteristic that scares me about the tea party is the whole 'you ain't christian, you ain't american' gig. That sure doesn't look good.

Though hey, any contender in the two-party is system is good news by my book. Monopolies are bad for the people.
paulie73
Jul. 23rd, 2010 04:15 am (UTC)
The Tea Party aren't really a threat to the two-party system, however. They are a movement within the Republican Party: they overwhelmingly share opinions with Republicans, they contribute to Republican politicians, they vote in Republican primaries, and vote for Republican candidates.
Likely their net real-world political effect will be to make a couple of safe Republican Senate seats (Utah and Kentucky) and a few in the House a little more right wing, and let the Democrats keep one Senate seat they should lose (Nevada). Their importance and popularity is overblown by the media, predictably by Fox, less excusably by CNN.
skull_bearer
Jul. 22nd, 2010 09:34 pm (UTC)
I don't even need to see the second one. ity's too obvious. 'Tomorrow Belongs to Me'.
Thank feck these fools don't have a Hitler, all they've got is a Sarah Palin.
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