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Belicheat Gets Wrist Slapped

One draft choice isn't enough, even a first rounder.

And Belicheat himself should have been suspended for at least a few games.


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Sep. 14th, 2007 03:07 pm (UTC)
I think it's a fitting punishment, but you have to wonder at the huge amount of bashing Belichick's taking. For example...if Tony Dungee had gotten caught doing the same exact thing, would the media coverage be the same? I think the media is taking great glee in being able to take shots at a guy that acts like a jerk to them. Where's the fair/impartial reporting? So many people seem to be expressing opinions without learning the facts. The videographer was caught 8 minutes into the game. Some reports I've read make it seem like the Pats used the video at halftime to make adjustments, etc... The outcome of this game wasn't determined by stealing the signs. This just makes the re-match with Mangenius in December soooo much more interesting!
Sep. 14th, 2007 03:12 pm (UTC)
The punshment was unprecedented.

No team has ever been forced to give up a draft pick (excepting tampering cases) and no coach has ever been fined such a large amount of money. I think it's safe to say that the Patriots will no longer be videotaping defensive signals.

Penalties like this happen for two reasons, as a deterrent and as a punishment. I think this will certainly deter the Patriots and other teams from engaging in similar behavior and effectively punishes the Patriots. I'm not sure what additional would be gained by suspending Coach Bellicek.

To take a step back for a moment, I marvel at an age where I can argue with my favorite author about football.
Sep. 14th, 2007 04:14 pm (UTC)
The NFL has taken away draft picks many times.

"The Steelers twice lost third-round draft choices for minor violations of NFL rules. They were caught wearing shoulder pads in a minicamp in 1978 and lost a pick in the 1979 draft. They were found in a minor violation of the salary cap and lost a pick in the 2001 draft."

The Broncos lost a pick twice.
The Niners lost a pick once
all for salary cap violations.
(no subject) - carl_spackler - Sep. 14th, 2007 04:19 pm (UTC) - Expand
Sep. 14th, 2007 03:16 pm (UTC)
Seven-hundred and fifty THOUSAND dollars total and draft picks are a wrist slap? That is crazy talk!

If I'm not mistaken, this is the first time anyone has been caught doing this. So, as it was stated before, thsi is new territory. I think they sent quite a message. Sure, everyone cheats and looks for an edge, but the rules are there for a reason. This is a wake up call to the league at large that the new administration isn't going to turn a blind eye to the shenannigans.
Sep. 14th, 2007 03:45 pm (UTC)
Mr. Martin, take a step back

I understand you are a Jets fan and are upset with the Patriots and there underhanded tactics. To say that a # 1 draft pick isn't enough is ridiculous. That has a long lasting effect and serious impact on the franchise and its future. If that's not enough what do you recommend the NFL do to "Belicheat"? Sir, I'm not a Pats fan but I think your reaction is a bit much. Good luck this year with both of your teams, they will need it badly.

Sep. 14th, 2007 04:44 pm (UTC)
C'mon George. Picking on Bill is like picking on Tywin.
Sep. 14th, 2007 06:04 pm (UTC)
Agreeing w/you and taking it a step further . . .
While the NFL usually is better than the NBA in how it deals w/non-sport related crimes, I think they could take a lesson from the other league here--while the NBA went overboard w/their "death penalty" against Minnesota for stretching the contract rules a few years back, that *would* seem to be appropriate here.

It could be that they've been cheating the last five years, and this is responsible for most of their massive success (doesn't make sense that they would start cheating after they've been on top that long and just dramatically improved their talent in the off-season), and certainly you want to deter others from doing this.

Plus, what does it say about a coach who encourages cheating *when his team is already the most successful in the league over the last few years*? If the NFL is really serious about deterring this sort of thing, Bellicheck or however you spell it should be suspended for the whole season, or even a couple of years -- they throw out Ricky Williams for whole seasons for smoking pot, which is the equivalent of a traffic ticket violation in some states, legal other places, and isn't even a performance enhancer, fer cryin's sake. And if the Pats can be shown to have known about it (and of course they knew about it, but a little proof would be nice) or it can be established that they should have known about it, the team needs a MUCH bigger fine -- the franchise is worth hundreds of millions, I don't think they are gonna notice or care about 250k -- you might as well fine them monopoly money.

And this is from someone who isn't a particular fan of *any* team, or pro football as a whole, so I'm fairly disinterested. Certain sorts of cheating bug me much more than others for what they say about the psychology behind it, and this was one of the more bugging types.
Sep. 14th, 2007 06:09 pm (UTC)
losing a first round pick
Those of you arguing that the loss of a first round pick will really hurt seem to be overlooking the fact that the Patriots had TWO first rounders in the upcoming draft -- their own, and one they got from the Niners.

The Pats will probably do better than the Niners. So even after the penalty, they will still get a pick a player in the first round, and it will probably be a better player than they would have gotten with their own pick.

Goddell should taken BOTH first rounders, at least. Excluding the offenders from the first round entirely might actually have hurt them (a little). Taking away the lower of their two first rounders only means that the rich won't be getting that much richer... this year, at least.

The bigger impact here is that (one presumes) the Patriots will have to stop cheating in future.
Sep. 14th, 2007 06:30 pm (UTC)
Re: losing a first round pick
Well, of course, as a 9er fan, I hope that the 9ers do finish better than the Pats, but for us, we really care that Colts do worse than the Patriots as we have Indy's 1st.

Back on subject, no one seems to have mentioned that Mclaren got fined $100 *million* dollars for cheating. Suddenly, $750,000 doesn't seem so outrageous.
Re: losing a first round pick - fermentedgoatjz - Sep. 14th, 2007 06:31 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: losing a first round pick - laellu - Sep. 16th, 2007 09:57 am (UTC) - Expand
Re: losing a first round pick - pilgrim23 - Sep. 17th, 2007 01:41 am (UTC) - Expand
Sep. 14th, 2007 06:10 pm (UTC)
Roger Goodell booted this one
Ok... Just to set the table here so that I can properly expose the inequity in this punishment...

Wade Wilson - Diabetic - Caowboys Quarterback Coach
Fined $100k (2/3rds of his yearly salary) and suspended for 5 games.
Offense: Taking HGH to counter an erectile disfunction issue brought on by his diabetes.

Bill Bellichick - Numbnutz - Pat's HEAD COACH
Fined $500k (12% of his yearly salary) and the loss of either a 1st round OR 2nd and 3rd round draft pick.
Offense: Knowlingly and willfully, with full knowledge and malice aforethought authorized and commited a cheating offense on not 1 but MULTIPLE occassions over the course of SEVERAL years (Mangini knew all about it from his Asst. coaching days with Belichick and thats why he was caught).

How in the world is this equitable? At the very LEAST, the PATs should have had to forfeit that win, Bill should have been suspended for at LEAST 1 game, and they should lose the #1 pick regardless of their play-off picture.

In any NCAA sport, the fine probably would have been larger to the school, the team would lose SEVERAL scholarships (Think draft picks), and possibly need to forfeit the entire season (See Oklahoma 2005 when it was found that their QB took money for a job he never did and was kicked off the team before the season even started, yet they still had to forfeit their season).

In the end, Roger Goodell held a QUARTERBACK coach that took a banned substance for a legitimate ailment (Diabetes) to a higher standard than Bill Belichick.

The NCAA holds 17 and 18 year old children to a higher standard than Roger Goodell holds Bill Belichick.

I am disgusted.
Sep. 14th, 2007 06:32 pm (UTC)
Re: Roger Goodell booted this one
I agree; forfeit of the game in which they were caught cheating seems like the most appropriate punishment.
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Re: Roger Goodell booted this one - flugel_horn - Sep. 14th, 2007 08:18 pm (UTC) - Expand
Sep. 14th, 2007 07:33 pm (UTC)
Indeed. Not enough. Sad to see someone so ethically challenged not given the proper what for.
Sep. 15th, 2007 01:05 am (UTC)
I completely agree. What is the point of being so hard on players yet so soft on the management of a team. Nobody can tell me the Patriots owner won't pay the fine. Not to mention they will probably get something aroung the 28th pick anyway, which they can completely trade around.
Sep. 15th, 2007 01:10 am (UTC)
Truthfully what is the point of Goodell being so hard on the players yet so soft on the management of a team. The Patriots will probably get something like the 28th pick anyway and they can trade around that. Goodell showed a complete double standard in this area. Not to mention it will not even affect them this season at all. They will still make the playoffs and possibly the superbowl. How is that punishment?
Sep. 15th, 2007 01:54 am (UTC)
i think the punishment was more than fair. the patriots are they team they are now because of their draft picks...loosing any at all will hurt us for what could be years...who knows if it would have been the next vinatieri or brady? i think that in the long run loosing that pick will have a much greater impact than loosing bellicheck. if you look at football and all the defensive coordinators and every other coach under the moon that they've got, loosing the head coach for a game or two would barely make a difference.

However, I stand by what I said before about this matter...the game against the Jets should have been forfeited, and that should have been the end of it.
Sep. 15th, 2007 01:56 am (UTC)
apologies for my inability to spell "losing"
Sep. 15th, 2007 03:19 pm (UTC)
I second that thought!
Given how much money the man has made on his so-called wins, I thought the fine could have been much bigger too, thought I do realize it was the maximum they could impose on him. I think it's a shame that he has so little confidence in his own team that he feels compelled to cheat.
Sep. 15th, 2007 07:36 pm (UTC)
...just a quick point here...

The monetary fine was the maximum allowed by the NFL. They could not fine Belichick any more than they did.

The first round pick is essentially taking a starter from the Patriots.

How the heck is this not a fitting penalty? I think the draft pick is a bit much, although I agree that a 1 or 2 game suspension would have been a good idea. This was a *heavy* penalty, and was in no way a 'slap on the wrist'.

I'm most curious to see how "the hoody" responds to Mangina.

Sep. 16th, 2007 12:54 am (UTC)
personally, i think the punishment for not making the playoffs is more severe than the punishment for making the playoffs, but maybe thats because I'm a ravens fan and have had to suffer through Travis Taylor (first round choice) while worshiping some second, third and even sixth round picks. and brady was what, a 6th, 5th rounder?

Also, be prepared for tommorrow, on account of I'm pretty sure Rex ryann counts rookie and second year quarterbacks to fall asleep at night. The ravens will bring it to your Jets, is all I'm saying. especially with something to prove.

So enjoy.
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