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Belicheat Gets Wrist Slapped

One draft choice isn't enough, even a first rounder.

And Belicheat himself should have been suspended for at least a few games.

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trillian4210
Sep. 16th, 2007 10:26 pm (UTC)
Public flogging is in order...
Well as the gents at Inside the NFL said, a suspension for Belichek wouldn't do much seeing as they have a huge coaching staff that likely runs the show like a well-oiled machine. They could fair well without him.

I think a better punishment would be to force him to make a public apology. THAT might put a little dent in his pride/ego, which would be harder for him to do, methinks, then just pay a fine or lose a draft pick.
metzhead
Sep. 17th, 2007 04:00 am (UTC)
Belicheck is clearly descended from Frey stock.
stegoking
Sep. 17th, 2007 10:12 am (UTC)
It's a punishment unprecedented in the history of the NFL. Saying it's not enough, especially after listening to Goodell speak upon it Sunday night, just sounds like sour grapes.

They could not take two first round draft picks because teams don't normally have two first round draft picks, and if another team were caught doing this (and who really doesn't think other teams do this or similar?) there would be no way to give equal punishment. Besides which, the pick from SF is compensation for something we've already lost. It's not a magic pick BB conjured from the nether. It was always untouchable, IMO.

People arguing the Wade Wilson thing aren't thinking very clearly. Wilson committed an illegal act, punishable by jail time. Belichick did something against the rules of football, but not breaking any law in the world. (Agree with the law or not.)

The fact remains that if Rod Marinelli were the one caught for this, no one would make a big deal out of it. He'd lose next years first round wide receiver bust, and it wouldn't be news. People are jealous of the Patriots.

Understandably so. The 72 Dolphins are already sweating after week two.

redakteurgummi
Sep. 17th, 2007 07:27 pm (UTC)
Wrist slapped? More like they refused to comp his manicure...
I apologize for the length, but some of you folks need to take a breath and think about this.

Belicheat should've been suspended for a year. Period. He cheated to gain a competitive advantage, unlike Wilson who was treating his own disease. Unlike the players, who are getting suspended for actions not related to football at all. Don't get me wrong, I agree with the suspensions of Pacman, etc, I'm just pointing out it's absurd that those guys make personal (albeit stupid and/or dangerous and/or criminal) choices in their personal lives and are being suspended, and Billy Belicheat doesn't get suspended for cheating actual game play.

I'm a diehard Packers guy, have no stake in AFC, and until this came to light, I had a lot of respect and admiration for him and the Pats. But no more. Everything they accomplished under Belicheat is suspect. All three of their SB wins were extremely tight ballgames, and the two most recent, they didn't even score until the second quarter, and the majority of their points came in the second half of the games. Even a Pats fan has to wonder in their heart of hearts whether Belicheat was pulling a fast one to win. Everything they accomplished now comes with an asterisk.

As for the argument, everybody cheats: One, that doesn't make it right. Two, prove it. Belicheat got caught, and after he was expressly warned about this very thing in a letter at the beginning of the season. When others get caught, great, suspend them for a season as well. You want to clean this up, then give it real teeth. I guarantee teams won't even have videocameras locked up in their lockerrooms if a coach faces automatic one year suspension for this.

And they should face that suspension. It's cheating the game. About the only thing that could be worse would be actual pointshaving. Compared to a coach's personal medical treatment? PUH-lease.

All you Belicheat apologists sound just like Tricky Dick Nixon's pals.
"All politicians lie and cheat, so why does it matter?"
"He won his election so handily, so who cares if he cheated against such ineffectual competition?"
"Really, it didn't effect the outcome of the election one bit."
Sound familiar? Think it matters? I guess some of us still do...

Suspend Belicheat for a season. I guarantee teams'll think twice about cheating. And irrefutable evidence turns up against any other coach, they're gone too.

As it stands now, 3/4 of a million and one first-round draft pick for 3 Super Bowl wins? If only I didn't have some shred of self-respect, I'd be thrilled for the Packers to get such a deal...
patsfan56
Sep. 30th, 2007 02:59 am (UTC)
Re: Wrist slapped? More like they refused to comp his manicure...
Wow what a whine. Chock full of stupid accusations and crying over a common infraction. Comparing it to point shaving and Nixon just shows how divorced from reality you are.

As for your Super Bowl whine try these FACTS and STATISTICS...
FACT...How you get video to help you against a team that you didn't play at all that season? Are you claiming teams don't change their signals, ever?
Fact...Do you really think anyone could review tape, and work up a responce during even a Super Bowl halftime? Please
Fact...Since the offense calls its play in first and the defense doesn't send in signals until after the coach QB radio is cut off at 15 seconds on the play clock are you saying the Pats coaching staff can intercept a signal react and somehow get a new play in to a QB moving under center in say 15 seconds?
You may now insert the stupid rumors of secret radios (no evidence found), signal jamming ( once again zilch evidence ) and Other James Bond BS. While you're at it why not claim Klingons were hired to hover with a cloaked bird of prey and beam the opposing team's playbook to the Pats locker room.
STATISTICS....Try looking at the scoring statistics of their Superbowls and you'll discover that they led at halftime. In the Carolina game both teams went scoreless in the 3rd quarter and the 4th was a shootout because both defenses were completely spent.
I hope these real things don't ruin your delusions.
punka_pie
Sep. 17th, 2007 10:05 pm (UTC)
Signals Shmignals
Big deal you know the other teams signals..you still need to have the personnel to play well enough to do anything about it...the Pats will go all the way this year..
patsfan56
Sep. 30th, 2007 02:41 am (UTC)
My God stop whining
A few comments on your comments...

Did you forget that Mangini had previously showed his 'honor' by breaking a long standing gentleman's agreement among coaches by going after the Patriot's staff and free agents as soon as he signed with the Jets. Previously new coaches gave their old bosses and mentors a season. That's some gratitude for letiing him out of his contract a year early.

Secondly thius wasn't done out of some moral outrage it was done to try to hurt a division rival that the Jets couldn't possibly beat on the field.

Lastly you may use this as some lame excuse for the fact that the Jets are a second tier team with a coach who looked great when working within his former bosses system but isn't so great on his own. Why do you think he tried to hire away the staff? So stop whining and take you lumps like a man. Every one's teams have stretches when they suck.
dunsanyburzum
Nov. 12th, 2007 06:22 pm (UTC)
Who cares how, really.
I personally don't see the big deal. He was using resources available to him to win. I also am of the minority that doesn't see a problem with steroids. If you are willing to do what it takes to win and it costs you honor, which is kind of a goofy concept by the way, then so be it. No one remembers if they were cheaters but only if they were winners.
cleverid
Nov. 21st, 2007 02:51 am (UTC)
Did we learn nothing from Joffrey?
As a fan of the Pats from about 1983 (when I first became aware of football) how can I not weigh in?

Did Belichick? Absolutely. No Question about it. And let me tell you, as soon as I heard about it, I got a real queasy feeling in my stomach, and worried how badly this would impact my respect for the team. As more details came out, my despair lightened; I realized that this cheating is about as severe as speeding.

1) there's no rule preventing a team from taping the opposing coaching staff; only against having a dedicated camera for it in addition to the other cameras. 2) there's no rule against stealing opponent's signals, only recording them--theoretically, a team could hire someone to go to every game, of every opponent, sketch-pad and camera in hand, to capture the motions of each coach (what a dreadful way to watch a game!) as plays happen. 3) even if you do successfully steal an opponent's signals, they will be of slight use. 4) if you successfully steal an opponent's signals, the signals will probably change by your next meeting 5) signals called in from the side are changed on the field more often than not, especially defensive signals, when they have to react to the offense.

Was this a heavy fine? In light of the (not so) seriousness of the offense, yes, extremely heavy.

If you disagree, fine, I just hope I never get caught speeding in your world; I might be facing Ser Ilyn Payne

J
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