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Amazon Screws the Pooch

People are posting all sorts of off-topic comments on my Miss USA post, below, so I am going to close that one and address the news about Amazon.de here.

Yes, I know, Amazon Germany screwed up big time and started shipping A DANCE WITH DRAGONS before they were supposed to. I am told that about 180 copies got out before they were made aware of their mistake and shut down shipping.

I am not happy about this. My publishers are furious.

If we find out who is responsible, we will mount his head on a spike.

Some other retailers are making noises about releasing their own stocks early, using the Amazon error as a justification. They are not supposed to do this. If you hear of anyone actually selling or shipping copies in advance of the publication date, please inform me ASAP.

I know that the 180 readers who got advance copies are happy about this, but I assure you, my publishers are not. And thousands of other readers are now getting spoiled, most quite inadvertently and unwillingly, as they stumble over the spoilers cropping up everywhere on the internet. (Some of the spoilers being posted are false, by the way). Most of those "lucky" 180 are keeping mum, to be sure, but there are always a few jerkwads in any group, and those are the ones who cannot keep their mouths shut.

A mess all around.

All I can say is, pfui.


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Jun. 29th, 2011 11:35 pm (UTC)
I have never loved Amazon more then today when i checked my mails
According to the delivery company the book is at my local post office ready for pickup allready
got a couple days off so i ll be through with the book quite soon

I would not be able to read the books after the release date since i m on 2 week vacation with my girlfriend in denmark...

Shame on anyone who would put spoilers up though - whoever you are, you guys are disgusting
Joel Lawrence
Jun. 30th, 2011 12:05 am (UTC)
I understand the publisher being angry, but you can't blame people who've received the book in the mail for discussing it, especially after waiting so many years. Best strategy is to avoid ice and fire related forums until after reading the book people!
Eduardo Vieira
Jun. 30th, 2011 12:57 am (UTC)
Do not worry Mr. Martin
No sane man this side of Texas will listen to Internet spoilers this close to launching date. That news did not affect me in the least, and several friends feel the same here.
Don't let this kind of mistake spoil YOUR fun anyway. That's important. IMHO of course.

I take this opportunity to congratulate you for your amazing work, cheers!

Best wishes from the Wonderful City, Rio de Janeiro (Mayhaps a signing stop someday? Weather amazing, beautiful views, great food! :) )
Eduardo Vieira
Jun. 30th, 2011 01:45 am (UTC)
Good (at the book being delivered early, not assholes who feel the need to post spoilers everywhere). There is absolutely no reason for strict on sale dates other than that the publishers can control publicity. The book is done; if a bookstore recieves it, it should put it out. Unfortunately, while a few years ago only a very few books would ever be strict on sale, now literally every book is. So go ahead, Bantam, be furious. As if you're going to lose any money from this.

And to all those who got the book early: Be happy! But please don't be dicks. We've been waiting six years for this book. I've waited nine years for a new Tyrion, Bran and Jon chapter, and others have been waiting eleven. Don't release spoilers. Don't run around the internet yelling "Tyrion killed Dumbledore!" Unless he actually does, which would be an awesome plot twist.

And seriously people, tattling on booksellers using this blog? For serious? Because if anything's going to make this right, it's some poor guy working for minimum wage at amazon.de or random bookstore #217 losing his job. Have fun putting their heads on spikes.
Jun. 30th, 2011 03:59 am (UTC)
Oh, and as Fate would have it, of coursed, some asshat decided that it would be funny to go out of his way to send me a private message loaded with spoilers. Fake ones probably, but word to the wise: if you see private messages coming to you from livejournal or any GRRM-related forums, I would read very slowly and practically through your fingers to avoid spoilers.

This is what it all comes down to, isn't it? We wait for a great book and then the morons, the childish and the downright vile people think it's all a big joke. Then there are those that are so quick to forgive based on any number of other excuses, as if this snafu was the equivalent of sending out an order without the french fries.

Give me a break.
Jun. 30th, 2011 11:57 am (UTC)
I got the same message. Definitely taking it all with a grain of salt, but this is seriously a dick move. Luckily, I only read the first one before realizing what it was.
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Bryan Mannion
Jun. 30th, 2011 04:52 am (UTC)

I've been following the blog for nearly 5 years now, but never posted, and after the TV show came out didn't want to join the influx of new users.

This is really sad. What is more sad is that someone is probably going to make hundreds of dollars on ebay for George's hard work. Not to mention it's only a matter of time until the book itself leaks online now, further hurting Mr. Martin.

I am truly sorry, and I will likely not be visiting any websites at all until I can buy my own book. You should sue Amazon for every illegal torrent download completed.

Also, in an honest opinion, and as a fan, you would be much better off allowing the release to happen now. Holding back will hurt sales, as impatient readers who normally would not, begin to download TORRENTS of the book. I will be honest, it's hard not to search and download it now, and buy the book later. Only my intense respect is keeping me from doing it, but how many people will download early, and buy never? The series is now too popular to escape attention of the pirate community, and "trolls" who want nothing more than to ruin the book for as many people as possible.
Jun. 30th, 2011 05:21 am (UTC)
Normally I am totally into getting spoilers ... but this time, I am terrified of being spoiled. I've been reading this series more than half my life - I was 13 when I took Game of Thrones out from the library, before ACoK came out. Now I've been waiting 6 years - 11 years for some characters - for this one. It's almost ... I don't know, maybe a sense of pride. I've waited patiently, I've persevered, I've reread the books a dozen times. I don't want to be spoiled, damn it! I still remember that feeling of awe and "oh my god I can't believe that just happened" when I sat in my bedroom, up all weekend, reading Game of Thrones, my mother bringing me food and telling me that I ought to be doing my homework. That is an awesome feeling, and I don't want some jerk on the internet to ruin that experience because they think it's funny.

It's one thing for the people who have it to post up spoilers under spoiler tags, or with the explicit warning of "hey, I've got a copy, and here be spoilers". But those who will just ambush people? That's just sad.
Jun. 30th, 2011 07:03 am (UTC)
What the...
o.O And I wondered why I received my copy so early - but be assured, I won't reveal anything or spoil (I hate spoiling). Well, I started reading yesterday and have read only a few pages but now I think to stop just because of solidarity. I can wait a fortnight before I go on!

Such a bad mistake. I absolutely understand your annoyance. :(
Gernot Prett
Jun. 30th, 2011 08:16 am (UTC)
Hehehe, seems like I'm one of the lucky guys, woho get to read Dance a few days early, amazon Germany sent me a message, that my order (from august 2008) has been shipped.

And, as Mr. Martin suspects, I'm quite happy about it. I won't leave any spoilers though. Promised :-)
Jun. 30th, 2011 08:28 am (UTC)
Maybe now you should really anticipate the release date
Sorry if I'm copying someone else post but I'm way too frightened about spoiler for reading previous posts.

I think Amazon really screwed it up, IMHO now you should really release the book without any more waiting. The risk of story being spoilered or book being illegally copied is just too high.

I'm trying to be cautious but I can't refraining from using internet for two weeks. I'm actually working with it and even a minor spoiler would be really sad after 6 years of waiting...

I've pre-ordered the book on Amazon UK with express delivery cause I'll marry on 16th and will leave for honeymoon on 17th. A beautiful bride, Hawaii AND ADWD...well, a man could hardly ask for more. :)

George, it is one of the most appreciated gifts I'm going to receive! Really!

Yet now the story can be spoilered and it's just too sad.

George, thank you for considering the idea of an early release.
Jun. 30th, 2011 08:49 am (UTC)
Lucky this time
I am also one of the lucky ones!

And while I understand that this is more than annoying for the publisher, I can't help feeling happy and I certainly can't help starting to read right away. And no, I will not post a single word before the official publishing date. I have even resolved not to even look at the special spoiler section of the German fan board so as not to tempt myself at all.

But hey, I was one of the very unlucky ones with regard to the Dabel Brothers Calendar desaster, being charged in full very early on, not receiving a calendar from DB, and not receiving any answers to multiple emails and messages left on their answering machine at all.

I now feel fully compensated.
Jun. 30th, 2011 09:23 am (UTC)
I am one of them...
Well, well. I preordered the book in March 2008 on Amazon, and I have to admit that I was quite surprised to get the message "The book was sent" yesterday. Now, that I am holding ADOD in my hands I...well, I just began to read.
But don`t be too scared: I posted about one hour ago on my Facebook account that I surprisingly got the book about two weeks sooner than expected. What follows was a flood of threats of violence always starting with:”If you spoil….”, “If you tell…” and ending with quite resourcefully ways of torture and execution.
Which means: I will read the book in the next few days, but I won`t say a word. I`m like Ilyn Payne…

Greetings from Salzburg, Austria!
Jun. 30th, 2011 09:33 am (UTC)
It's all about the corruption of the spirit
Having read all the comments, I'd like to say that, for me, the problem does not actually lie in the appearance of potential spoilers or in my outrage at the rank incompetence of some guy(s) at amazon.de. What really grieves me is the fact that this whole mess has belittled the unique atmosphere of waiting for "A Dance with Dragons". We've all waited for this novel for so long, so has George (I'm so sorry that it happened to you, to the book on which you worked so hard) and we were finally given the date of its release. July 12 - the day of celebration, the whole world will once again reverberate with the sound of dragons' wings beating the air! I don't know about you, but for me it was, and in fact still is, a kind of a holiday, really. Thus, it pains me to know that it's been defiled, to some degree. It's just sooo sad, as simple as that...
Jun. 30th, 2011 11:02 am (UTC)
Praise for "nightfall 33"
Valar morghulis,

I would like to underline a comment from Japanese fan "nightfall33" who created a new Live Journal account only to share information about Japanese branch of Amazon duplicating a mistake of a German one.

I think this is an important piece of information - showing that false start of selling ADWD is not only a German problem but also an international one.

GRRM wrote:
"Actually, if you consider "surfing the internet" as the 21st century analogue of "walking down the street," spoilers ARE falling from the sky, in all kinds of unlikely places."

That is probably right but - thanks to the people like "nightfall33" - some of our internet streets are more safe.

Winter is coming


P.S. "nightfall33" - I opened a new account on Live Journal only to make sure that your comment would not go unnoticed and to say: THANK YOU.
Jun. 30th, 2011 11:54 am (UTC)
Spoilers coming from LJ Private Messages
Everyone needs to be careful about LJ messages and PMs from other sites- there is a person out there sending spoilers to people. Luckily I only saw the first one before realizing what it was and am taking it with a grain of salt, but it's still rather galling that someone would do this.

GRRM- if you need/ want more info, I can send it to you.
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