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Should Math Be Taught in Schools?



((Sad to say, this parody is hardly exaggerated at all. A few of the answers are almost verbatim to the actual answers of the Miss USA contestants to "Should Evolution Be Taught in Schools." Go watch that video on YouTube and see for yourself)).

(((There are days I think I am living in the world of Kornbluth's "Marching Morons." Just look at reality TV, and remember the hit show in his story)))

(((I am vastly pleased that the eventual Miss USA winner, and GAME OF THRONES fan, does "believe in evolution." And presuambly in math as well))).

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wolfden
Jul. 5th, 2011 03:28 am (UTC)
I should not have watched the evolution video - I'm soooo depressed now.

tushhog5
Jul. 5th, 2011 04:30 am (UTC)
I teach biology. One of the first things people ask me is "do I believe in evolution?" My first reply is always "what's your definition of evolution?" that term just has too much range nowadays. If you mean do I believe living things can change and adapt over time? Absolutely. Or are you asking that I eliminate my Creator from my thinking? Absolutely not.
triarus
Jul. 5th, 2011 05:14 am (UTC)
This is by far the best response to Evolution imho. Adaptability does not negate faith or personal belief. They day that one concept is the only allowed concept is the day we burn books and goose-step through Kingslanding.
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quique12
Jul. 5th, 2011 04:51 am (UTC)
The parody was pretty funny. I watched the real answers and to be honest, I thought it would be worse. Most of them answered "Yes", although most of them were for the wrong reason "We should teach both sides" (since there is no other side, creationism is about the origin, evolution is about the road from the origin to now).

My favorite answer was the one from Miss Vermont. She was one of the few (or perhaps the only one) who knew what evolution is.

Public schools should teach that the word theory in science means a different thing than the word theory in common parlance. In science, it means it has been tested many times and it is a fact or very close to a fact. What people call "theory" in common speech, scientists call "hypothesis" or "conjecture" (in the case of mathematics).
I think this discrepancy is what creates so much confusion.
joshua_the_bear
Jul. 5th, 2011 08:17 am (UTC)
This. Very much this.
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yes and no - tonymaacaroni - Jul. 5th, 2011 03:35 pm (UTC) - Expand
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spitphyre
Jul. 5th, 2011 06:08 am (UTC)
Alright, we want to teach creationism to kids? Sounds great! Let's make another class called Creationism where children learn the creation myth for every religion ever. No one will have a problem with that!

Also, why is this pageant given so much weight? How is it ok to judge people on these standards? Listening to the actual video is making me annoyed with the world.
escarboucle
Jul. 5th, 2011 06:09 am (UTC)
As a French, I was shocked when I learned that evolution wasn't taught in all the states in the US. :/

And god, this parody, I don't know if I should laugh or cry X'D
sistercrow
Jul. 5th, 2011 06:53 am (UTC)
That so many "well educated" women think that Creationism should be taught in schools, rather than in church amazes me.

That so many think that the alternative to evolution to be taught is the Judeo-Christian myth is appalling.

Personally, I was taught both evolution in science class; and mythology (sans the Judeo-Christian myth) in history and literature. I was taught the basics of several other religions in world culture.

Creationism was taught in church (I grew up Christian), where I think it belongs.

I would not have a problem if the Judeo-Christian version of things were part of the world culture classes; but I *do* have a problem with it being taught as a scientific theory.

I also suggest these "well educated" women go back and *read* the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. A creator is mentioned, but there is no reference to God as the creator.
spitphyre
Jul. 5th, 2011 07:40 pm (UTC)
I took a college course on history and literature where the teacher spent the entire time trying to explain to us why the myths from other religions that we were studying were wrong. Yeah, because I think studying Gilgamesh and ancient Greek myth is going to convert us. *eye roll*
msconduct
Jul. 5th, 2011 06:53 am (UTC)
To all those who say "Evolution is just a theory!" I can only respond: nnnnrrrgggh.
Robert Gustavsson
Jul. 5th, 2011 07:21 am (UTC)
What we are
Saw this first and the original about religion after. Why are these girls calling evolution a theory but seem to think that the bible is fact? That's just sad. This is just another example of things that make other countries regard americans as stupid. Get real and teach evolution in school and while you're at it... teach history (not just US but world history) and geography (world geography). Sure BELIVE in the bible if it gives you comfort.... but KNOW about evolution.

This is what i belive: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a15KgyXBX24
And yes... Ernest Cline is an american.
_shinkei
Jul. 5th, 2011 08:04 am (UTC)
Math - and all its subsets
I never understand why not all different theories/agendas can't be taught in math i.e. geometry has a stronger case and these are the reasons why we believe it to be true. But there are those that buy the trigonometry theory and they state their case as this these are both arguments for and against you decide logically which seems the most likely to you on your own and no one can complain because all sides get taught. And then 300 years later the world gets pissed off because algebra was right.

In plain terms the above statement is 2 opposing theories are approached with unreasonable venom from both sides and in the end a third as yet unnamed theory will probably be correct but elements from one or both could be within that theory. Proving once again people are idiots.
spitphyre
Jul. 5th, 2011 07:45 pm (UTC)
Re: Math - and all its subsets
... I think there's a huge difference between evolution and trigonometry or geometry or algebra. I mean the paragraph is funny but it doesn't really work when you're trying to prove a point about why people should stop arguing about evolution vs. creationism.

Could there be something else out there to clearly explain the origin of life on Earth that will one day make itself clear? Yeah. There could be. But that doesn't make evolution invalid. It's pretty clear that evolution is a fact of life and all it takes to understand this is a little cursory studying of animal development. (Or plant or us or whatever)
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Heikki Arponen
Jul. 5th, 2011 08:08 am (UTC)
You're not supposed to BELIEVE in evolution, you either UNDERSTAND it, don't understand it... or refuse to understand it, as is the case with the "bible thumpers" (just read the Fevre Dream ;) )

Luckily in the near future evolution will probably become a testable empirical science as we realize that it's the only way to create artificial intelligence/life. Let the creationists try to develop their own AI ;)
spitphyre
Jul. 5th, 2011 07:46 pm (UTC)
Let the creationists try to develop their own AI ;)

That's kind of a terrifying thought :P
joshua_the_bear
Jul. 5th, 2011 08:22 am (UTC)
Weirdness.
I never really understood why people choose to believe Genisis, which was written by Jewish priests whilst in exile in Babylon (That part is also in the Bible, its several thousand years after the events of Genesis take place), who also had quite a few political motives (the independence of Isreal from the babylon Empire), and has probably been riddled by copying and translation mistakes, to the letter. As opposed to active and recent scientific research and it's rather compelling evidence.
idrach
Jul. 19th, 2011 08:49 pm (UTC)
Re: Weirdness.
Because there is the belief among many Christian denominations that the Bible is infallible and divinely inspired. God wouldn't let there be errors in transcription and copying because it is His Word and He would take care to ensure that such things wouldn't happen. Disclaimer: I personally do not identify as Christian but I used to.
bobon123
Jul. 5th, 2011 08:36 am (UTC)
Every nation...
... has his "thing", the one thing that make every atheist of other nations thinks "well, they are really nuts... at least the religious people from my country aren't THIS absurd".

I am from Italy, Catholic by birth, Atheist by choice. Most people outside the Catholic world point at the adoration of relics, parts of bodies, or the believe that Eucharist is the real body of Jesus, is a sign for a more shamanic and nutty religion. I have worked in Israel. There, in public places, elevators work by themselves on Saturday, since the bible says "You will not light fires" and orthodox Jews think it means "You will not turn on any electrical switch".
This is "your thing". A large amount of people thinking there is a debate among evolution theory and creationism. A sensible amount of people believing the earth has 6k years.

All religions are the same, they are fine if you believe in them as symbols, you will seem a nutcase if you will try to take it literal. And you will always think the local nutcase are a bit less strange then others, because you are used to them.

The three main religions are just books of rules from one to three thousands years ago. No one should take any book this seriously.
Ok, this is long enough, I've to read A Feast For Crows for the ritual reading of the afternoon.
tonymaacaroni
Jul. 5th, 2011 03:53 pm (UTC)
Re: Every nation...
I wouldn't just blame the abrahamic religions...I think the rest are pretty much the same.
buchdeswissens
Jul. 5th, 2011 08:46 am (UTC)
Say no to science - god is great.
One of the things which really scares me when thinking about the USA.
We have people in Europe with similar "ideas" but not that many.

Maybe it's time for another "Age of Enlightenment".
werthead
Jul. 5th, 2011 10:43 am (UTC)
This reminds me of a vital question about the books:

Were there ever dinosaurs in Westeros? :-D
jaerraeth
Jul. 5th, 2011 11:37 am (UTC)
Nagga's Ribs?
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lovely_greens
Jul. 5th, 2011 10:52 am (UTC)
I hate how so many people say they 'believe' in evolution...it's not a BELIEF folks, it's fact.
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