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Should Math Be Taught in Schools?

((Sad to say, this parody is hardly exaggerated at all. A few of the answers are almost verbatim to the actual answers of the Miss USA contestants to "Should Evolution Be Taught in Schools." Go watch that video on YouTube and see for yourself)).

(((There are days I think I am living in the world of Kornbluth's "Marching Morons." Just look at reality TV, and remember the hit show in his story)))

(((I am vastly pleased that the eventual Miss USA winner, and GAME OF THRONES fan, does "believe in evolution." And presuambly in math as well))).



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Jul. 5th, 2011 10:58 am (UTC)
I watched the original video and... WOW I can't believe it. I knew you had creationists in the US but you have all sort of weird alien cults like scientology and whatnot so I just never figured it was a mainstream thing.
I know pageant contestants aren't supposed to be the brightest girls around but it's really strange to hear the 'everyone should be able to decide for themselves if Iceland is in the Indian Ocean or in the Atlantic' argument coming from such young people in the western world.
Jul. 5th, 2011 11:19 am (UTC)
The original clip makes me doubt evolution. Seriously, I believe Americans are getting dumber. I don't think 30 years ago the denial of scientific evidence, or the equation with biblical stories, was that widespread.
What's wrong with people? Gravity is a theory, you're going to deny that? Please do.
Ben van Heijningen
Jul. 5th, 2011 11:23 am (UTC)
Evolution is fact. As for the existence of god(s): If I lived in the Seven Kingdoms, I might be a believer, though I don't know yet on which of the Gods I would place my bets. But at least there seems to be some evidence that they meddle with the world.
For the Gods in our real world I quote Bertrand Russell: "Not enough evidence, God, not enough evidence".
Jul. 5th, 2011 11:36 am (UTC)
God, to see that happen in our "modern day" makes me very very sad. I don't know in how far you can blame the Miss USA candidates, since they would probably stand to lose a lot of votes if they call evolution anything but a believe system (that in itself is bad news indeed). I am glad not to live in America today.

Also, people still don't seem to get that "theory" in a scientific context means something very much different from the colloquial usage of the word. No, evolution is not perfect, and very probably has some unanswered questions. And no, that does not mean that it's equally valid as the stories the bible tells.
Jul. 5th, 2011 11:47 am (UTC)
My fellow commentators do realise that this is satire, right?
Jul. 5th, 2011 10:55 pm (UTC)
Re: Satire
Hopefully we do. The reason most are getting silly is we then watched the follow-up sadly real video about Miss USA contestants being asked about evolution being taught in schools, the source material.
Julia Schick
Jul. 5th, 2011 12:30 pm (UTC)
For me as a European, it is really hard to understand how anybody can doubt evolution. Maybe we don't know every detail yet, but then there is so much more evidence to the existence of evolution than to the existance of any kind of god. I have seen the skeletons of dinosaurs, but I have yet to see god or any sign of him....
Jul. 5th, 2011 01:08 pm (UTC)
Parody or not, that is frightening.
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Jul. 5th, 2011 03:55 pm (UTC)
I think you're missing the point
The video is a parody. A parody of various Miss USA contestant's opinion on Evolution.
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Jul. 5th, 2011 02:31 pm (UTC)
I kind of fell in love with parodyMiss Vermont.

Anyway, here's a quick test for evolution.

Part 1: There are two Animals, of species A. Both need Food Source A. One has longer, more powerful legs, enabling it to kick the other in the crotch so that it gets all of the food. Which is more likely to have kids?

Part 2: A white guy and a black woman have a child. Will that child be: A) completely white B) completely black C) mixed race D) Asian?

If your answers were "I'm not a bleeding moron", congratulations, evolution happens.
Martin Vavpotič
Jul. 5th, 2011 02:53 pm (UTC)
After watching such videos, I don't know if I'm suppose to laugh or cry. It also makes me glad I'm not an American. No offence intended.
Jul. 5th, 2011 04:13 pm (UTC)
We're glad you're not either. You conclude that it's bad to be an American simply because of some dumb things that some American beauty contestants said? Pot, meet kettle.
Jul. 5th, 2011 02:58 pm (UTC)
... you do know that those pageants are rigged, right?

I'm a female engineer. One of my friends happens to be an strong, intelligent woman and former Miss Arizona USA (she also took a pic of the iron throne for me when it was on display in LA)-- so I've heard all the behind-the-scenes shenanigans that go on at those pageant-things. Who places stock in television at all these days-- Pageants or otherwise? Even the news can be doctored to express an unpopular point-of-view.
Jul. 5th, 2011 03:13 pm (UTC)
"The word 'god' is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive, legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can [for me] change this. . . . For me . . . all [religions are] an incarnation of the most childish superstitions."

Albert Einstein (1/3/54)
Jul. 5th, 2011 04:08 pm (UTC)
In the end it is a choice
Do you live with reason as your guiding principle or is it belief? That is the choice.

I was schooled in England and was taught the principles of Evolution in Biology and Genesis in Religious Education. I remember vividly the R.E. teacher quoting Leviticus as a justification for homophobia the week after. I also remember even he trying to contextualise creation as a metaphor...even this homophobe could not equate the literal interpretation of a Jewish folk story against the facts.

What happened? I went to University and studied biochemistry. Meanwhile, in spite of RE the UK has very very low levels of religious belief. When offered the facts, people choose reason.
Jul. 5th, 2011 04:12 pm (UTC)
I taught in a middle school last year in which the 7th grade science teachers were angry that they had to teach evolution. And they taught it as a theory in the layman's sense of the word, not in the scientific sense of the word.

I, as a new, non-tenured teacher, kept my mouth shut a lot.
Jul. 5th, 2011 04:45 pm (UTC)
Thank you for posting this, George!

Not to bring politics into this post (moreso), but I saw the original evolution video, and I really wonder whether it's a coincidence that the women from red states were the ones who tended not to want evolution taught in schools. I'm sure on some level I'm a horrible person to generalize entire state populations like this, but still I couldn't help but notice and I had to point it out. :)
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