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Should Math Be Taught in Schools?



((Sad to say, this parody is hardly exaggerated at all. A few of the answers are almost verbatim to the actual answers of the Miss USA contestants to "Should Evolution Be Taught in Schools." Go watch that video on YouTube and see for yourself)).

(((There are days I think I am living in the world of Kornbluth's "Marching Morons." Just look at reality TV, and remember the hit show in his story)))

(((I am vastly pleased that the eventual Miss USA winner, and GAME OF THRONES fan, does "believe in evolution." And presuambly in math as well))).

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sam_crecelius
Jul. 5th, 2011 04:45 pm (UTC)
Miss USA?
Are we really looking to the Miss USA community for support, either pro- or anti- evolution?
wbrown2
Jul. 5th, 2011 05:03 pm (UTC)
Alabama you made said again. :(

shanda27
Jul. 5th, 2011 05:46 pm (UTC)
Parody was funny. Then I watched the clip where the contestants talked about evolution. I lost a dozen IQ points watching half. We were taught evolution back in my day, and no mention, that I recall, was made of intelligent design. Now my son, going through high school science classes, is having a most difficult time with teachers who dismiss evolution in favor of intelligent design. Absolutely not the way I want my child taught. I've given him the opportunity and information to make his own decisions about faith and science, and for teachers to flat-out tell him he's wrong because he believes evolution to be a more valid theory, really irritates the snot out of me.
ibnobody
Jul. 5th, 2011 05:46 pm (UTC)
Gravity is just a theory,too. Instead, I believe in intelligent falling. Things fall because god wills them to fall.
spartan211
Jul. 5th, 2011 06:00 pm (UTC)
How many fingers?
It's one of these post! I still remember the health care fight!

About all this "theory/facts" stuff, it reminds me George Orwell's 1984, when O'Brien asks Winston how many fingers he's showing. Evolution is pretty clear and proven, and even if not, it's still way far more rational, logic, and human than a literal biblic interpretation.
Juan Antonio Lucas
Jul. 5th, 2011 06:07 pm (UTC)
OOOOO
Si vierais lo absurdos que pareceis en el resto del mundo por cosas como esta...
0nesun
Jul. 5th, 2011 06:44 pm (UTC)
Pheww
George,

So glad that you are a reasonable man on top of being a fabulous writer. I'm Always worried that people I respect end up being "Creatards".
trilambdas
Jul. 5th, 2011 10:48 pm (UTC)
What about ASoIaF? Shouldn't it be the other way around?
But the Seven Kingdoms have remained roughly the same for thousands of years...why haven't they evolved? Are the God(s) playing with them?
Just joking! But what an amusing video...ok and really sad. That people are still so close-minded about things and that this is being labeled as a 'touchy' subject. Shouldn't the question be, 'Should creationism be taught in schools?'
If you want to believe that aliens from a planet landed here and we are descendants of their souls; or that Jesus was reborn and rode a horse in the America's and buried golden plates with his wishes that we don't drink caffeine or have premarital sex; or that Jesus (who yes is a real person) is the son of God or not or he is but is a messiah or he is but isn't a deity or whatever the heck tangential sect of religious thingy you think it is, so be it, but denying facts is just silly. People did evolve, it's not that scary and it doesn't contradict the bible religions if you simply say he, maybe the big bang was God's idea...There all is settled, but we'll never know because Stargate Universe was cancelled.
The second we continue to move backwards as a society, denying self-evident truths, we'll never evolve ourselves. In Texas, did you know slavery is not going to be a topic covered in American History...like it didn't happen...MLK who? Pretty soon American history will be rewritten and Abraham Lincoln will just be a tall man with a top hat and not the greatest president and advocate for human rights in our history, it will be W! In China, well, I think we all know how much misinformation is fed to the public there...my point is, I don't really have one, I just wanted to rant. Or how about, Quatto was right, open your miiiiind!! Math is good, it is known.
maldis
Jul. 6th, 2011 03:57 am (UTC)
All this reminds me of an interesting piece in Mother Jones recently discussing why people cling to such flimsy thinking. Basically, the chemicals in our brain for fight-or-flight move faster than conscious thought, so by the time we so much as comprehend the evidence before us in favor of evolution, assuming it's something we don't want to believe in, our brain is already flooded with stuff that makes in near impossible to reason.
Dhiraj Pal
Jul. 6th, 2011 05:25 am (UTC)
Why are people trying to derive scientific theories or laws from the Bible anyway. I'm sure that The Bible was/is meant to be primarily concerned with the nature of the human spirit and our relationship with god, not with theories of creation. Any 'science' or 'history' which somehow ended up in the Bible should surely be seen a periphery to the book's main purpose.
jessimare
Jul. 6th, 2011 01:36 pm (UTC)
Well... I've got to be honest. I laughed myself silly over the parody. I also went and watched the real video. Yes, a few of the women were indescribably stupid. However the vast majority gave fairly clear, concise answers and felt that it SHOULD be taught in schools.

While most of them were hesitant to state their own beliefs, they did say over and over again that they felt even if you didn't believe in it, it should be taught. Which at least shows some level of intelligence... most fanatical bible thumpers (whose intelligence, IMHO, is on the amoeba level) won't allow a breath of evolution or it's possible existence to come out!
t40rs731n
Jul. 6th, 2011 08:35 pm (UTC)
Wow
There really isn't much you can do with these people who simply refuse to believe that 2+2=4(in real numbers). We can point to all the evidence. We can point to all the research devoted to it. We can show evolution in motion. But they will still refuse to believe. Remember, Mississippi tried to redefine Pi to 3 because the Bible says it is so. They will never stop. Since the dawn of religion, the religious have attacked learning. The USA (despite an amendment to the contrary) is not immune to this. Look to the writing of Thomas Jefferson. These people have waged a holy war on learning and wisdom. If it isn't evolution, it will be something else entirely. They continue to wage this war. The did it when they forced school children to invoke their god when they added it to the pledge. They hate learning. Their actions continue to control the USA's foreign policy. The latest is that they are going after the National Anthem with the intent to replace it with one that mentions their god. They will stop at nothing.
darkland52
Jul. 7th, 2011 08:34 am (UTC)
theory
It makes me laugh when people use the fact that gravity and evolution are both theories as proof that evolution is real. Gravity is one of the most poorly understood things in the universe. I'm in no way suggesting that gravity doesn't exist I'm saying that what we understand about it could be completely wrong. Scientists don't understand the first thing about it. How it works, where it really comes from, and why it behaves the way it does are a complete mystery. Yeah there seems to be a correlation between the mass of an object and it's gravity but that doesn't necessarily mean they are actually connected in any meaningful way. Nobody has ever seen a graviton or a gravity wave or anything that actually explains gravity.

The original laws of gravity failed when they applied them to small things like particles so they decided to make up a bunch of new laws to apply to small things. Those worked so everything was good. Then when they tried to apply the laws to large things and the laws failed there too . . . so they invented dark matter and dark energy to fill in the gaps. Which by the way are both invisible and it is completely impossible to interact with them in any way as far as we know.

One of the fundamental things that is required for something to be scientific is that it has to be able to be proven wrong. dark matter in my opinion cant be proven wrong and is therefore bad science. Science isn't about facts. It's about exploring things we don't understand Science exists because we don't know everything.

The flat earth theory was brought up earlier by Mr. Martin. The shape of the earth is no longer science because we can look at it and say, nope, not flat, that is definitely spherical. Its' fact, not science.

Evolution is still science because we don't know everything about it and therefore, don't know that it is fact, and it can still be proven wrong. It is completely conceivable that there is a different explanation for everything that is described by evolution. evolution just fits everything we see really well and is the most likely explanation.

The same is true for our ideas about gravity. Maybe gravity really doesn't have anything to do with mass and it's just a coincidence that they relate at any level. That's pretty unlikely but absolutely possible considering how little we understand about it

a thousand or so years ago, the prevailing theory on the origin of life was spontaneous generation. If you didn't believe in spontaneous generation back then you were considered a complete moron.

My point is getting a little muddled but what I'm trying to say is that its right and good that people doubt evolution, especially if they are striving to come up with another explanation. And saying someone is stupid for not agreeing with you when you know less than the scientists who are actually in the field and who don't know everything about it themselves is ridiculous.
t40rs731n
Jul. 7th, 2011 06:09 pm (UTC)
Re: theory
Sci - to know
- ence the act of.

Science is the act of knowing. I thought we would start there. The Earth is a sphere. We know that, ergo it is science. See?

Evolution is supported by Mendelian Law. Are you saying we don't pass alleles from one generation to the next? Are you claiming that influenza is a giant hoax?

And who is they? Have you read any research regarding evolution? I mean, really read it. I have read your holy books multiple times (Bible 5X, Torah twice, and the Quran once) they don't hold candle to the Dao de Jing. But that is another matter.

It is apparent that you are not incapable of learning and so stating that you are stupid would solve nothing. But I do notice that you have quite a bit to learn about evolution before you can make such broad statements about it. Evolution is proven. Do we know everything about it? No. But that doesn't negate it.

Consider this: How do you know what you know about evolution? Who has taught you about it? Where did you learn these things?

The idea of evolution did not start with Darwin, rather its roots can be traced back to Aristotle (yeah, those pesky Greeks who proved the Earth was a sphere long before satellites).

I will be able to point you in the right direction but I fear you would discount that as if a secret cabal of witches (er...) scientists were using it to discredit your god.

In the words of Carl Sagan: One would think that they would look at all the evidence for evolution and state, "WOW! My god is even greater than I thought."
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a_ngua
Jul. 7th, 2011 09:16 am (UTC)
Okay, a bit confused now.
I’m not familiar with educational program in US, but… there is no mention of evolution?
Or you have lectures about it if you take (separate) science classes?
Or it differ from school to school, private vs public…
t40rs731n
Jul. 7th, 2011 05:55 pm (UTC)
If you look at a map that charts the IQ
of the individual states you will notice that those states that are above average IQ (ie the Northern States) teach evolution. See my post two above yours. We teach it.

But think of this as similar to the times when Copernicus was threatened with death for suggesting that the earth was not the center of the universe. Many of us know that evolution is true and doesn't require belief, like a certain invisible sky zombie on a stick, I could mention. The religious have been waging a war on intellectualism in the USA since the very beginning (almost 250 years ago, even further back then that). In the end, the religious will lose and reason and science will again, win out.
zeros2heros
Jul. 7th, 2011 02:35 pm (UTC)
Super!!!
It is nice that I don't have to agree with an author's particular opinion to enjoy fine writing.

Discussing evolution with people who don't respect or cherish their creator is like discussing fair monetary practices with Goldman Sachs. :)
douglaswweb
Jul. 8th, 2011 02:46 pm (UTC)
Re: Super!!!
I would appreciate it if you would give my parents credit for doing that...
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