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Ten Thousand Ships

For all you fans of fake history, we've got another taste of THE WORLD OF ICE AND FIRE up on line, to help whet your appetite for the main course.

"Ten Thousand Ships" is a brief excerpt from the history of the Rhoynar, the final fatal war between the proud princes of the river and the dragonlords of old Valyria.  You can find it on the Westeros site at


courtesy of my collaborators and archivists, Elio and Linda.


(The full version, in the worldbook, will carry the tale of Princess Nymeria's odyssey considerably further, but you'll need to wait till October for that one).


May. 20th, 2014 03:15 pm (UTC)
Re: Authors?
Elio and Linda went through all the published novels, the Dunk & Egg stories, etc, pulled out the historical references, legends, and such, organized all of that into a chronology, and wrote a first draft. Then I stepped in, revising their draft, filling the holes, answering questions, resolving contradictions, and adding new material where little or none existed in the published books. Of course, as with the novels, "the tale(s) grew in the telling," and I ended up adding a LOT... so much that in the end we had to rip out more than two hundred thousand words of it (which will eventually appear in the GRRMarillion). In the cases where I wrote way, way, way too much, Elio and Linda then went back in and produced a severely abridged version.

For instance, the full account of the Dance of the Dragons ran to 80,000 words, a novel all by itself. Gardner Dozois trimmed that to 30,000 words for DANGEROUS WOMEN, producing "The Princess and the Queen." Elio and Linda produced an entirely DIFFERENT abridgement (even shorter, I believe) for THE WORLD OF ICE AND FIRE, working from the same text. For the full version, you will need to wait...
May. 20th, 2014 07:47 pm (UTC)
Re: Authors?
According to Elio, the account on the Conquest will George's words entirely, since that's the apparently shortest section of that 200,000 words monsters that's the history of Archmaester Gyldayn - which, according to Elio, covers the reign of all the Targaryen kings up to Aegon V.

The section on the Dance will be indeed be a shorter version than 'The Princess and the Queen', but will focus more on the stuff that was only briefly touched upon/omitted in TPatQ. So we should get information on the other battles in the Riverlands and the West, stuff involving the Ironborn (Dalton Greyjoy was briefly mentioned at the beginning of TPatQ), hopefully also about Arryk and Erryk, Grand Maester Gerardys, and, most importantly, a summary of the events leading to rise of Aegon III.

If I'm not mistaken, then the events depicted in detail in TPatQ - say, for instance the Small Council meeting and the events leading to the coronations of Aegon II and Rhaenyra, respectively, will only be briefly summarized, since that's fully covered in TPatQ.

I must say, I'm really interested in this stuff, and I'm really glad that 'you got carried away' imagining this whole thing in detail. It does not seem to be important for the overall story, but infighting between siblings is always interesting, and I always thought that Rhaenyra's name and story should come up in later books when Dany's claim to the Iron Throne is discussed, but to learn about these things from an in-universe scholar, is much more than I ever hoped for. We really tried to imagine this war in detail for years, and it's really illuminating to learn what 'really happened', even it's in bits and pieces, and filtered through history.

By the way: Any chance that Maester Yandel, the in-universe author of 'The World of Ice and Fire', will show up in the main series in a future chapter set in Oldtown? That could be interesting...

And: Can you shed some light on which topic/historical period in your own world intrigued/interested you most while writing on it?
May. 20th, 2014 08:55 pm (UTC)
Re: Authors?
Wow, 200,000 words? GRRMarillion is going to be enormous! Do you intend for that book to include information that will have already been released by then, like an Encyclopedia of Ice and Fire? Either way it sounds great! How is the ol' Son of Kong coming along?


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