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Wars, Woes, Work

Life is impossibly busy right now. I am wrestling with the Son of Kong (that is, working on THE WINDS OF WINTER), trying to wrap up a final round of edits and revisions on the twenty-third Wild Cards book (HIGH STAKES), developing three new series concepts for HBO and Cinemax, hiring writers and directors for three short low-budget films I am hoping to produce based on some classic SF short stories (more on that in the months to come), making my way through the Hugo Packet to prepare to vote, looking forward to opening JURASSIC WORLD at the Cocteay and to hosting a ten-author special event for the release of Steve Stirling's new "Emberverse" anthology, THE CHANGE. In a week's time, we'll be flying off to Europe for long-planned appearances in Germany (Hamburg) and Sweden (Stockholm), en route to Archipelacon on the island of Aland, where I am to be the Guest of Honor...

In the midst of all this, wars old and new continue to rage all around me.

I had rather hoped that the Puppy Wars would have died down by now. Naive of me. Far from it, things keep getting worse. All the grisly details of this ongoing nastiness can be seen at FILE 770 over at http://file770.com/. ((Mike Glyer deserves the 2016 Best Fanzine Hugo for his even-handed and thorough coverage of Puppygate, linking to virtually everything posted on the subject anywhere on the internet)).

I want to single out the postings of Eric Flint. The latest, at http://www.ericflint.net/index.php/2015/06/09/a-response-to-brad-torgersen/ , is a devastating point-by-point deconstruction and refutation of the latest round of Puppystuff from Brad Torgersen. Flint says what I would have said, if I had the time or the energy, but he says it better than I ever could. ((I will be nominating him for a Hugo too. For Best Fan Writer)). His earlier posts on Puppygate are all worth reading too. He is a voice of reason in a sea of venom.

I will add one point. The emptiness of the Puppy arguments is indicated clearly by how much time they seem to spend in coming up with new insulting terms for those who oppose them. The facts are against them, logic is against them, history is against them, so they go for sneers and mocking names. First it was SJWs. Then CHORFs. The latest is "Puppy-kickers." Next week, no doubt, they will have something else. Reading all the blogs and comments that Glyer links to from FILE 770 has convinced me that anyone who starts throwing these terms around can pretty much be discounted; you will find no sense in what they say, only sneers and talking points.

Meanwhile, other wars are breaking out on other fronts, centered around the last few episodes of GAME OF THRONES. It is not my intention to get involved in those, nor to allow them to take over my blog and website, so please stop emailing me about them, or posting off-topic comments here on my Not A Blog. Wage those battles on Westeros, or Tower of the Hand, or Boiled Leather, or Winter Is Coming, or Watchers on the Walls. Anyplace that isn't here, actually.

Yes, I know that THE HOLLYWOOD REPORTER named me "the third most powerful writer in Hollywood" last December. You would be surprised at how little that means. I cannot control what anyone else says or does, or make them stop saying or doing it, be it on the fannish or professional fronts. What I can control is what happens in my books, so I am going to return to that chapter I've been writing on THE WINDS OF WINTER now, thank you very much.

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chacho_21
Jun. 12th, 2015 12:04 am (UTC)
lol you tell them George, this is no place for all that tom foolery, although im new here but still. hoping we get an announcement soon as to when we'll be getting TWOW but no rush at all, quality over quantity, i just wish the show would have taken their time more and not rushed through the story so much, that way you would have had more time to finish the books, I really think the show could've taken more time on a lot more issues but i digress, Keep it up Georgy boy, nothing but love from one of your millions of loyal fans (p.s. i really think you could start your own army of ASOIAF loyalist and possibly take over the world, then you would be most powerful writer in the WORLD!!!)
Virginia R
Jun. 12th, 2015 12:39 am (UTC)
Dunk & Egg
I'm very excited to see you have so many projects pending. I hope you don't mind me asking, it's not my intention to make you feel like I want to rush you or anything.

Are there any updates on the Dunk & Egg front? I'm eagerly awaiting the illustrated version due this October but I'm also wondering if there are any news about new material on that front?

Will the next 3 tales also be illustrated? If I recall correctly you posted that you'd be releasing them in "bundles of 3" so to speak. I love your stories and will wait for them as long as it takes. So please don't think I'm trying to rush you. Although I would love some D&E sample chapters instead of just TWOW if that is possible at all. Just wishful thinking, again no pressure.

I wish you all the luck and success with your new projects, I'll be eagerly waiting to see those unfold. Thank you for all that you do for us, your fans.
blatfink_
Jun. 12th, 2015 05:29 am (UTC)
Just remember Mr. Martin we are with you. While you are working furiously from your Wordstar computer, we are also pulling an all-nighter in Excel.




On a more serious note, can I just comment how I am SO impressed by how dedicated you and the ASOIAF fans are. Wishing you all the best in all your various projects.
gman109
Jun. 13th, 2015 02:01 am (UTC)
I think it's fantastic George interacts here with fans as well. It's a very, VERY rare thing for interested fans to be able to interact with those who create art, especially one who is so popular out there now.

Unless you've had friends or family involved in show business, or famous in some other way such as writing, you really can't grasp just how crazy the demands are on these folks time. How they stay sane is beyond me. This is a place where GRRM excels, truly. In the last 5 years, the sheer number of appearances, interviews, and signings are difficult to believe. Yet Mr Martin still finds time for us here on LJ. Remarkable, at least in my opinion.

I also know that there is much GRRM does behind the scenes that none of us will know, or appreciate. The work with the wolves in NM, the local theater, all kinds of charity work - I wish those that hit him with negative comments, particularly about "the next novel", the most common I see, would stfu, and instead, take a real good look at just how much George has on his plate, the long list of other great projects, and then put themselves in those shoes.

This is why I'm a GRRM fan - not just the writing, which is superb, but the kind of man he is. Even when dealing with the Hugo/Puppy issue, Martin has kept his cool, been very fair in his points, and not resorted to the dirty tricks and name calling some on the opposing side have.

I also bring up a touchy subject, but I'm going to discuss regardless of that - the objection to the Vietnam war. GRRM handled this like a man. He didn't run. He didn't flee up here to Canada. He stuck to his beliefs, and still served his country during wartime in a way he felt didn't betray his principles. This was a very brave thing to do in those times, something recent generations (mine) don't understand, being faced with a draft and all that entails.

These are just a few of the things about GRRM I've learned over the last few years, there are many more out there for anyone to discover with a net connection. A truly great man; the writing is a bonus.
laeryken
Jun. 13th, 2015 04:20 am (UTC)
Thank you, George, for being a fan still. And for continuing your work, and for sharing your thoughts with all of us. Enjoy this ride: you have earned it.
bradrtorgersen
Jun. 13th, 2015 05:07 am (UTC)
Which way the venom flows
George,

Which of the Puppies are clueless? Is it me? The readers? Somebody else? From which way does the venom flow? There's a lady over at TOR who's in a lot of hot water right now, because she regurgitated venom she'd absorbed (or been spoon-fed) by folks on your "side" of this thing. Her chief mistake was in assuming that she knew who she was calling names, when she did not.

And now the customers are remarkably unhappy with her.

I've said it before: I don't mind people who criticize Sad Puppies 3 for either mode, or method. If you can criticize the method, without impugning the integrity of the man, all well and good. That's a conversation worth having.

Problem is, some opponents of Sad Puppies 3 have been impugning the man (singularly, collectively) from the get-go, and the invective has been of a type and kind so outlandish, so below the belt, so filled with promises both dire and dreadful, that I've struggled to understand why people who claim to tread the high frontiers of the world's most imaginative form of literature, can be frightened into nasty hysterics by the fact that a democratic process was exercised democratically.

Eric Flint's a friend of mine, and I trust him on most things. But he's not immune from getting it wrong. I think his criticism has been better then most, because he's tried to be fair-minded. But he's also gotten a few things out of whack.

CHORF came about because the SMOFs who are supporting Sad Puppies didn't want to be lumped in with the hysterical crowd calling Sad Puppies a lot of terrible stuff.

Puppy-kicker was suggested to me by a female member of the Sad Puppies 3 slate who was tired of seeing anti-Puppy ad hominem attacks. So, I adopted Puppy-kicker as a means of referring to people who are in it for the sake of personal vendetta, or who can't seem to stop themselves from being nasty churls at a personal level, against everything and everyone Puppy-related.

CHORF and Puppy-kicker may seem offensive to some, but they are attempts to refine the conversation while not letting the bad-spirited, badly-behaving actors off the hook.

And to be blunt about it, George, some of the folks on "your" side have been very, very bad-spirited, and made it their personal business to be fantastically terrible to not just myself, not just Larry Correia, but to all of Puppydom. And as Tom Doherty discovered, Puppydom also includes respected colleagues and authors with decades of investment in this field. As well as a heap-load of readers. You know, those people who pay us money for the crazy shit we make up and pull out of our heads?

I'd love to see things dialed down, but the bulk of the dialing has to come from your "side" and to be honest, I am not really sure the fans (aka: customers!) who've been tarred with the anti-Puppy brush, are feeling terribly pleased at the moment. This was never a top-down effort, it was always grass-roots. Larry, myself, Sad Puppies, we gave faces and a name to a sentiment that's been there for many years. Among the readership. Among people who were tired of being treated like they were second-class citizens, either because of their Fandom pedigrees, or because of their Fandom tastes and interests, or because they were professionals deemed to be "cut-rate" in the back-room conversations amongst other pros.

That kind of thing leaves bruises to the bone, George. And whether you like it or not, it's some of the people on your side eagerly doing the bruising.

Edited at 2015-06-13 05:17 am (UTC)
grrm
Jun. 13th, 2015 07:00 am (UTC)
Re: Which way the venom flows
REPLY TO BRAD T, PART ONE

>Which of the Puppies are clueless? Is it me? The readers? >Somebody else? From which way does the venom flow? There's a >lady over at TOR who's in a lot of hot water right now, because >she regurgitated venom she'd absorbed (or been spoon-fed) by >folks on your "side" of this thing. Her chief mistake was in >assuming that she knew who she was calling names, when she did >not.

I have spoken out against name-calling from the first, Brad. It is the Puppies and their supporters who started it, and who keep dialing it up. I will concede that you yourself have been mostly civil, but read the comments in your own blog, or Correia's, or even on FILE 770, and it is all venom and epithets.

>And now the customers are remarkably unhappy with her.

The vast majority of customers have no idea about any of this. The "unhappiness" here is a campaign orchestrated by the odious Mr. Beale, and once again you Sad Puppies have lined up behind the Rabids. Early in this debate, I heard a lot of stuff from your side about careers being threatened and your opponents saying "you will never work in this town again" and similar crap. Not one instance of that was ever substantiated. But now we are seeing a deliberate internet campaign to cost someone their career -- and it is coming from VD, with the full howling support of Puppies of all stripes.

No one on "my side" ever threatened anyone's livelihood or career. Your side is doing just that. In public.

>I've said it before: I don't mind people who criticize Sad >Puppies 3 for either mode, or method. If you can criticize the >method, without impugning the integrity of the man, all well and >good. That's a conversation worth having.

Agreed... in general. But what happens when the opponent then demonstrates that they have no integrity? That they are more interested in causing harm than finding common ground? Numerous people who are, if not Puppies, at least Puppy supporters, have been very vocal in saying they joined this fight to "stick it to the SJWs" or "watch them scream" or "destroy the Hugos." How does one discuss the issues with such people?

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Varun Venkatasubramanian
Jun. 13th, 2015 06:06 am (UTC)
love your work
I can say little except that I like your work and that,maybe you're taking a little too much on yourself. One thing I like to ask you is how you built your world. I started my work a while ago and realised characters alone don't make the story. They are a part of the world they live in. It's easy to ape another world but building one and providing it with a history that fits it is not.
writer_mishka
Jun. 13th, 2015 12:24 pm (UTC)
I think we lose sight of the fact that you have a lot on your plate. You're brilliant. All the best with your writing! You have lots of fans here in South Africa!
iwinulose2
Jun. 13th, 2015 03:28 pm (UTC)
If this entire campaign is supposed to be about stories and authors...
Then why is it I know next to nothing still about the stories or authors? Maybe when authors that you nominate begin bowing out that should be a clue that the Puppies should change strategy. The longer this goes on the more I believe that it's really about the people running Puppies, and they are just using the authors as pawns to gain attention.
hipooso
Jun. 13th, 2015 04:46 pm (UTC)
Hello Mr Martin. Thanks for your books and for spending time with your fans.
My question is if you have knowledge of the spanish writer Ana Maria Matute, author of a great fantasy book: "Forgoten king Gudu".
Thank you
grrm
Jun. 13th, 2015 05:41 pm (UTC)
Afraid not. Is her work in English? Sadly, I cannot read Spanish.
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carmenatoutprix
Jun. 13th, 2015 07:52 pm (UTC)
Cheers
Here is something to cheer you up, Mr Martin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZeWUghpXDA
interdimensionl
Jun. 13th, 2015 08:13 pm (UTC)
Doorways remake
Hello Mr. Martin I was wondering if there is any discussions about reals sing another "Doorways" tv show would be awesome with today's special effects tech? I read the comics & I loved them also any chance you will visit New England? The Boston comic con is coming in August! Just saying!
grrm
Jun. 13th, 2015 09:00 pm (UTC)
Re: Doorways remake
I love Boston, but alas, have no plans to visit there in the immediate future.

No, DOORWAYS is pretty dead right now. Or at least dormant.
ddruss95
Jun. 13th, 2015 11:47 pm (UTC)
writing
I understand your busy and I won't take more than a bit of time. I was wondering if you could give some advise to someone is trying to make a fan base.
grrm
Jun. 14th, 2015 12:00 am (UTC)
Re: writing
You can't "make" fans.

Just write the best stories you can. The rest will take care of itself.

Oh, you should probably go to some cons as well. Meet people. Be friendly, network, make contacts.
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Tyler Bigdreamer Mathews
Jun. 14th, 2015 04:23 pm (UTC)
Thank you!
Hey George, just wanted to thank you again for continuing to chip away at this wonderful series. While waiting for the Son of Kong to arrive (maybe Modular Man can give him a ride or something), I've just finished Aces High and I gotta say I really love the Wild Cards universe as well. It's hard to pick a favorite character (I like Fortunato but there are some things, like some of his mannerisms and the whole tantric sex thing that I don't like, but I will say I really enjoyed the ending to the first chapter of Aces High haha), and I think that's part of what makes this series so great, in addition to the mosaic style (I also checked out the Wild Cards website recently and found out Croyd Watch is a thing). That being said, at least for me, ASOIAF slightly trumps (hey oh) Wild Cards, and any progress you can make on these books is greatly appreciated. That being said, I would like to ask a question about ASOIAF that I hope you can answer (even if it's the most cryptic answer ever lol):

Does Ned have any other bastards besides Jon? I have one in mind but I'd rather not say, in the hopes that it makes it easier for you to answer.

Edited at 2015-06-14 04:41 pm (UTC)
Marcel Aubron-Bülles
Jun. 14th, 2015 11:28 pm (UTC)
Good luck on all your ventures!
Dear Mr Martin,

thank you very much for taking the time to write here on your blog so we know what's happening - and yes, please do return to that chapter :)

All the best and good luck!

Sincerely,

Marcel
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