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My Position On the Syrian Refugees

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door."

Those words, of course, are by Emma Lazarus. Her poem, "The New Colossus," appears in bronze on the base of the Statue of Liberty. A statue given to the United States by France, our nation's oldest friend and ally... a bit of history that seems especially important just now, in light of the recent horrors in Paris.

For me, Lady Liberty and the words on her base represent the best of what this nation of immigrants is all about. One has to wonder if all the governors (including our own governor here in New Mexico, I am ashamed to say) and congressmen voting to keep out the Syrian refugees have ever visited the Statue, or read the words on her base. If so, they surely failed to understand them.

Of course, most everyone knows the part about 'your tired, your poor, your huddled masses,' but let me draw your attention to some other lines of the poem:
-- a mighty woman with a torch... her name Mother of Exiles,
-- from her beacon hand, Glows world-wide welcome,
-- send these, the homeless, tempest-tost, to me.

Emma Lazarus had it right. Donald Trump and thirty-one governors have it wrong, wrong, wrong.

The Syrian refugees are as much victims of ISIS as the dead in France.

Let them in. Santa Fe, at least, will welcome them.



Lemon Paste
Nov. 20th, 2015 09:35 pm (UTC)
Let them stay at your house, George
The words on the Statue of Liberty were written before we had a welfare state. If you want them so much, why don't you let them stay at your house and you can pay for their medical bills. I'm sure you can afford it.
Nov. 20th, 2015 09:42 pm (UTC)
Re: Let them stay at your house, George
History has demonstrated many times that immigrants revitalize a society, and create much more than they take. The sort of "they are just a bunch of lazy leeches" sentiment you are expressing here was also directed at the Irish, the Italians, the Germans, the Polish, the Chinese, and many other immigrant groups in the past, all of whom over time have vastly enriched the culture of America. I have no doubt that the same will prove true of the Syrians.
Lemon Paste
Nov. 20th, 2015 09:47 pm (UTC)
RE: Re: Let them stay at your house, George
Consider where they are coming from and why. The Paris bombers slipped through with the other "refugees".


Nov. 20th, 2015 10:27 pm (UTC)
Re: Let them stay at your house, George
ONE Syrian passport, perhaps forged. All of the rest of the killers, if not all, were European nationals. Homegrown, like many of our terrorist mass murderers. You are looking for excuses for your xenophobia. Look instead into your own heart and ask yourself why you are so fearful.

I'd be happy to have a refugee family at my house.
Re: Let them stay at your house, George - kurtdbusiek - Nov. 21st, 2015 03:38 am (UTC) - Expand
Nov. 21st, 2015 02:14 am (UTC)
Re: Let them stay at your house, George
Jihadists don't walk: http://theleveller.org/2015/10/jihadis-dont-walk/

You think ISIS would risk an agent drowning or being mugged and dying on the side of the road?

This sort of talk is exactly what ISIS want. They WANT Western nations to turn on their Muslim populations, so that to those Muslims the only choice is the IS caliphate.

You are giving them victory.
Re: Let them stay at your house, George - Saberune - Nov. 21st, 2015 09:05 pm (UTC) - Expand
Kristina Sumfleth
Nov. 21st, 2015 09:00 pm (UTC)
Re: Re: Let them stay at your house, George
Clearly you did not pay attention to recent news in addition to the lack of attention during history class in school. The "Syrian passport" found near one of the bodies was a fake. You are letting fear dictate your morals. Have some courage.
Nov. 22nd, 2015 01:22 am (UTC)
Re: Let them stay at your house, George
Breitbart is a website for right wing nut jobs, there was once an article slamming Sesame Street for damaging childrens' morality.

Why the hell are you citing them?
Nov. 23rd, 2015 08:26 am (UTC)
Re: Re: Let them stay at your house, George
Not to mention asking someone to take them into their house is straight hyperbole designed to strawman the argument. To put it in perspective, if every single person in the USA donated $5, great strides would be made on the refugee issue. Implying the kind of lifestyle change you're asking of George is what everyone would have to go through to accommodate refugees is pure sensationalism.
Nov. 20th, 2015 10:14 pm (UTC)
Re: Let them stay at your house, George
You are describing East Asian and European immigrants. East Asia and Europe were, even then, the height of civilization. So, the immigrants they sent us, poor or not, were quite civilized. The same cannot be said of Middle Eastern and African immigrants, who have nearly destroyed their own countries through Islam and now want to spread that barbarism in the west.

Donald Trump is RIGHT. Political correctness be damned, the US needs to remain culturally European.
Re: Let them stay at your house, George - grrm - Nov. 20th, 2015 10:20 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: Let them stay at your house, George - questron - Nov. 21st, 2015 09:41 am (UTC) - Expand
Re: Let them stay at your house, George - pierceheart - Nov. 21st, 2015 03:36 pm (UTC) - Expand
Noe G
Nov. 20th, 2015 10:48 pm (UTC)
Re: Let them stay at your house, George
Do you know how Roman Empire fell? They embraced the barbarians and grew too peaceful thanks to Christians' influence. There is a risk of terrorists sneaking in, not even rich muslim countries which are closer to them geographically and in terms of culture and religion take them in (Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE...). A country should prioritize its citizens, after all they are the ones who make it great (or not so great). I am from Europe and I can tell you that most of the muslims living here don't asymilate and live on welfare, they don't respect our culture, laws and try to enforce theirs on us. German girls being told they shouldn't wear short skirts because they may offend muslim classmates or muslims protesting because a muslim woman was arrested accused of terrorism is a total BS. Of course this is not true about all muslim people, if they want to asymilate and live here peacefully, they're welcome to but how can we check who they really are and what are their intentions and approach to our culture? We should help them but be smart about it, take in the ones the most needing help (children, people seeking medical help), but taking them in won't solve the problem, ISIS needs to be dealt with and their country rebuilt that's what we should focus on.
Nov. 21st, 2015 12:22 am (UTC)
Re: Let them stay at your house, George
No comparison between Europeans that came at the turn of the last century and "refugees" from the Islamic world. European immigrants from the last century weren't part of major terrorist attacks that killed and injured hundreds of innocent people, whereas among these "refugees" are those that committed the atrocities in Paris.

You didn't answer the premise of the previous poster's comment. If you are concerned for genuine refugees, than go to the camps in Turkey, Lebanon, or Jordan. Give to charities that aid those at these camps. There are plenty of ways you can actually help. Do this instead of advocating for a policy that puts the security of the United States at risk. Put some of your own skin in the humanitarian game as it were instead of just pontificating and feeling morally superior to those of us who have genuine concerns about safety.
Re: Let them stay at your house, George - grrm - Nov. 21st, 2015 12:43 am (UTC) - Expand
Re: Let them stay at your house, George - steve_jay - Nov. 21st, 2015 01:13 am (UTC) - Expand
Re: Let them stay at your house, George - grrm - Nov. 21st, 2015 01:52 am (UTC) - Expand
Re: Let them stay at your house, George - steve_jay - Nov. 21st, 2015 02:13 am (UTC) - Expand
Re: Let them stay at your house, George - werthead - Nov. 21st, 2015 06:48 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: Let them stay at your house, George - Leemanism - Nov. 23rd, 2015 12:11 am (UTC) - Expand
Shemo Creed
Nov. 20th, 2015 09:48 pm (UTC)
RE: Let them stay at your house, George
Most studies show that they will unburden the system very shortly after getting established and become productive members of society willing to do the jobs most Americans are to "good" to do. Show me some numbers comparing the amount of born Americans on welfare vs immigrants, then we will talk.
Nov. 20th, 2015 10:11 pm (UTC)
There are absolutely solid numbers in the UK that immigrants pay way more in to the system than they take out in Welfare.

And the UK has an infinitely more generous welfare system than America does.

Immigrants are good for the economy.

The economic argument against immigration simply does not stand up in the face of hard numbers I'm afraid.
Ramona Miller Stephan
Nov. 21st, 2015 02:37 pm (UTC)
RE: Let them stay at your house, George
I would welcome anyone into my home. After all the bible instructs us to do so. Matthew 25:35
Peter Dobos
Nov. 21st, 2015 10:09 pm (UTC)
Re: Let them stay at your house, George
This tired old "argument"? Still? That's not how the world works anymore, folks. It's akin to saying "If you want free medical care for Americans living in poverty, then pay for it yourself". Or, better yet, "...then go become a doctor."

Not actually doing something yourself does not in any way negate the fact that you may be 100% in support of said thing.

You want affordable daycare? Ok...how many infants will you be taking care of in your own home? None? Hypocrite!

See? Doesn't fly.


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