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Rams on the Move

The latest news from the NFL: Los Angeles is getting the Rams back.

The San Diego Chargers and the Oakland Raiders, who also wanted to move to LaLaLand, lose out... or maybe win, depending on how you look at this. The league chose the Rams and their plans for a new stadium in Inglewood over the Chargers and the Raiders and their joint scheme for a new stadium in Carson. They did say the Chargers could have a year to decide if they want to join the Rams in LA, presumably sharing the yet-to-be-built Inglewood stadium. (The Chargers would be fools to take them up on that, if you ask me. San Diego has faithfully supported the Chargers for half a century, while LA has not proven it can support one NFL team, let alone two).

I feel sorry for my friends in St. Louis. This is the second time they have lost a franchise. First the Cardinals, now the Rams. They deserve better. St. Louis is a great town (Archon is great con too, for what it's worth). A great sports town. LA isn't. If there is ever another round of expansion in the NFL, let's hope they get a new team.

Still... since the league was determined to get a team back to LA, and the candidates were the Chargers, the Raiders, and the Rams, I am glad they picked the Rams. "St. Louis Rams" never sounded right to me. "Los Angeles Rams" did, and does. (Yes, I know they started in Cleveland, but that was before my time). There is history there. And I'm old school, so I like history. Okay, true, the Chargers had history in LA as well, since they started there... but that was in the dawn of the AFL and they only played in LA for about five minutes. And the Raiders have history in LA too... but that was always wrong. The Raiders belong in Oakland... and the Chargers belong in San Diego, preferably in their powder blue uniforms.

Will LA support the Rams? Maybe at first. Novelty always counts for something. And after too, so long as they are winning. But if they start to lose? Don't count on it. There's a reason both the Rams and the Raiders left LA back in 1994. You know, during my years in TV, I went to a number of NFL games while I was out to LA. Mostly in the Coliseum, which is where the Rams will be playing until their new playpen is ready. How did I ever get tickets? you may wonder. Did I have a season pass? Not hardly. Did I buy them from a scalper? No need. I just walked up to the box office on game day and said, "I'd like a ticket." Good seats too. The Coliseum was always half empty at the games I attended (mostly when the Jets or Giants were visiting). And half of the people who were there seemed to be rooting for the visitors.

But maybe this time will be different. Maybe.

I don't know if the Chargers or the Raiders will stay put now, or try to move somewhere else. If they do move, however, I hope the NFL makes them change their names. If we have to shift franchises around, the way to do it is the way they did the Cleveland to Baltimore move, where the team moving leaves its original name with the city, and gets a new name for the new place. That's much to be preferred than the Baltimore to Indianapolis model. The Colts name should have stayed in Baltimore, just as the Browns name stayed in Cleveland.

Of course, the best model of all is Green Bay, where the team is owned by the city and the fans and will never move. Would that we had more of those... but I fear the NFL would never allow it.



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Jan. 13th, 2016 10:52 pm (UTC)
The Chargers have the option of sharing the stadium, too.
We'll see how it all pans out.
Jan. 13th, 2016 10:53 pm (UTC)
Another reason not to sit in traffic
LA native here. We are not a good sports town and we certainly don't need one more reason to sit in traffic. We didn't ask for another NFL team, nor do we really want one. There is no reason for the NFL to be in LA where the fans won't appreciate it.

Jan. 14th, 2016 08:27 am (UTC)
Re: Another reason not to sit in traffic
Speaking as another Angelino, we don't need another sports team. Nobody here really cares about Football anyway, and if they do they're rooting for either the Raiders or the Chargers. Or Seattle. Let those cities deal with the headache that a stadium brings, because yeah, what Tylerb80 said, we don't need one more reason to sit in traffic.
Conor Henry
Jan. 13th, 2016 11:04 pm (UTC)
Rams Move
I've lived in LA my whole life with the Rams leaving when I was an infant. My dad remained a Rams fan, but my favorite player was Curtis Martin when I was young and the Jets have been my team ever since. I wish the Rams well in the NFC, but I will only attend when gang green is in town. Many friends my age in LA support teams other than Rams and I don't expect that to change now.
Jan. 14th, 2016 09:45 am (UTC)
Re: Rams Move
I agree with you. I've lived in LA for the last 30+ years, but I'm a KC girl, born and raised, and the Chiefs will always be my team, win or lose. So unless the Chiefs are here playing, I have no interest in the Rams.

However, I am grateful to the Rams for presenting the idea of building their stadium in Inglewood so the plans to build that monstrosity downtown fell through. Those downtown plans may take the prize for the worst idea I ever heard.
Jan. 13th, 2016 11:07 pm (UTC)
Team name change
I agree that teams should change their name when moving to a new city. "The Oklahoma City Super Sonics" would have driven me crazy. Also very happy that, so far, my Chargers are staying put.
Jan. 13th, 2016 11:24 pm (UTC)
Re: Team name change
I know what you mean. The Los Angeles Lakers and Utah Jazz are both pretty moronic names.
Re: Team name change - DAZEMARDO - Jan. 14th, 2016 10:57 am (UTC) - Expand
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Jan. 13th, 2016 11:24 pm (UTC)
I became a somewhat football fan with the Rams in the "greatest show on turf" era, so I am sad the St. Louis have lost its NFL team

As an European it is difficult to me to understand the franchise model with teams switching cities. It should be difficult for a small city to compete to big cities like L.A.
Conrad J. Dominguez-Urban
Jan. 14th, 2016 12:06 am (UTC)
Moronic Names?
What about the Arizona Cardinals? I'd have thought, seeing as how Dr. Baker has described the T-rex as a 9 ton roadrunner from hell, that they'd have changed their name to the more indigenous bird.
Chris Watson
Jan. 14th, 2016 12:13 am (UTC)
Fan ownership
You are very right about the Packers, George! Would be great to have more fan owned teams. My soccer team, Heart of Midlothian, in Scotland went through huge financial turmoil before being bought by the fans and now things are looking very good for us :-)

Would be great to have a NFL style salary cap in European soccer but that will never happen.
Jan. 14th, 2016 05:40 am (UTC)
Re: Fan ownership
George is right about the Packers ownership in theory, but it really should be called out for the scam that it is. The people that are shareholders in the Packers are doing it "gratis" which means that they receive no compensation or profit. They're basically given a piece of paper saying they are shareholders and the team's Board of Directors keeps all the money for the organization (or who knows what they do with it?). It's like having a Kickstarted NFL team but with no backer rewards. It's not like the Packers would fold as an NFL team if they didn't have this money from these sold shares.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Bay_Packers_Board_of_Directors
Re: Fan ownership - Dan Pepper - Jan. 14th, 2016 04:13 pm (UTC) - Expand
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Jan. 14th, 2016 12:20 am (UTC)
Maybe when LA doesn't work out for them, those weird persistent rumours about an NFL team relocating to London will come to something. And it'll be the London Rams. Or something crazy like that.
Jan. 14th, 2016 12:50 am (UTC)
No, no. Obviously it should be the Baltimore Raven who move to London. The London Ravens would be a great name.

Then the Indianapolis Colts could move back to Baltimore and be the Baltimore Colts again.

And the Rams, after they fail in LA again, could move to Indy and become the Indianapolis Rams.

And we need to get the Cardinals back to St. Louis somehow... which means Phoenix needs an expansion team.
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Jan. 14th, 2016 01:01 am (UTC)
LA Is A Sports Town.
Mr. Martin I wouldn't say that LA isn't a great sports town. You just need to look at the LA Lakers, some of the greatest players of all time came from the Lakers. Players like Jerry West (who the logo of the NBA is modeled after), Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Magic, and Wilt Chamberlain played there for a while. And then there's the LA Kings, a hockey team in a place that doesn't get much ice, they are in first in their division and won the Cup in 2012 and 2014. And don't forget the LA Dodgers.

So yes, LA is a great sports city.

PS: This is coming from a Boston sports fan.
Jan. 14th, 2016 07:34 am (UTC)
Re: LA Is A Sports Town.
The Lakers have been perennial winners, however. As you say, they have had many of basketball's greatest stars, one after the other.

LA has always loved winners.

Let's see the Lakers stink for a few years, finish out of the playoffs year after year, and see what happens to the their support then.

The real test of a great sports city is whether or not they will continue to support their teams during the down times as well as the championship years.
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Jan. 14th, 2016 02:24 am (UTC)
Giants hire McAdoo. Pathetic.
Zim Calhoun
Jan. 14th, 2016 02:33 am (UTC)
Being a Rams fan in St. Louis (having grown up with the Cardinals) this really sucks. Its not just that its happening, but the way it happened. Outright lies and misinformation was put out, things taken out of context and picked up as fact by lazy national reporters. From 1995 to 2006 the Dome was sold out, even though their were only 4 winning seasons in that time. Then in the 5 year record stretch of the worst football the league has seen where the Rams only won a total of 15 games, the Dome was still selling around 57,000 tickets.

I disagree about all the "history" being tied to the "LA Rams". The Greatest Show on Turf is purely St. Louis Rams, along with that Superbowl trophy, (should have been more... why did Goodell destroy the tapes!??!! Could go on about how that Superbowl loss led to the Rams leaving now)

George, you are probably still smarting a bit from when the Rams played the Jets and Martz called for an onside kick while being up 35 to 0
Jan. 14th, 2016 02:57 am (UTC)
Green Bay has had my heart precisely because of its tie to the community. Having lived in St. Louis & Columbia, Missouri, they certainly deserved better than the hand dealt, though I'll be happy not to have the Kroenkes around.
Lindsay Travis
Jan. 14th, 2016 03:24 am (UTC)
Do you think the move will affect their performance? I'm thinking it won't. I assume/hope NFL players are already motivated to win.
Duane Freese
Jan. 14th, 2016 05:42 am (UTC)
Rams and Ravns
No, no, no. Ravens -- Baltimore -- quoth the Raven not nevermore but evermore. Poe, Edgar Allan. Baltimore. Ravens. Now London Black Birds?
But as for the Rams. The fans were crazy about them in the 1950s, so crazy. How could they not be with a player such as Crazy Legs Hirsch, who had one great season and one very good one, and one wild style of running, that got him a Hollywood biopic and a ticket to the Hall of Fame.
And because they were the Rams of Los Angeles, they are remembered for The Fearsome Foursome, although the appellation was first applied to your Giants' Robustelli, Grier, Katcavage and Modzewlewski, and then the Detroit Lions' crew of Stan Williams, Darris McCord, Roger Brown and Alex Karras (though Karras went Hollywood later. Sigh.)
So, yeah, the Rams didn't fit St. Louis any more than the Oilers fit Tennessee, but I truly am sorry for the St. Louis fan base. They deserved better.
Jimmy Potter
Jan. 14th, 2016 09:32 am (UTC)
Name changes
How about, the Arizona Phoenix? Then St. Louis can get the Cardinals, Jags can move to London and become the Leopards(the royal standard used to be three leopards on red) -OR- move to Mexico City and become the Jaguars or Jaguar Knights after the Aztec warrior society! Puerto Rico gets a team named the Sharks in the AFC East! Jets vs Sharks(bit of AFC EAST-side story) and Sharks vs Dolphins(Wild Discovery) twice a year!

Or, if you really wanted to spread the sport overseas they should focus on promoting its youth sports in Europe. In order to avoid diluting the talent pool of NFL caliber players they need to expand the game from the ground up.
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