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Hugo Nominees Announced

MidAmericon II has announced the final ballot for the 2016 Hugo Awards. You can find the list here:


It is, to say the least, a mixed bag. A lot of good books and stories, writers and artists... cheek by jowl with some stuff that is considerably less worthy.

I will have more to say when I've had more time to review and digest the ballot.


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Apr. 26th, 2016 06:28 pm (UTC)
It's been a year already?
I'll be very interested to hear whether you think there's been even incremental progress since last year.
Apr. 26th, 2016 07:31 pm (UTC)
Re: It's been a year already?
Well, at least the Other Team dropped all pretense that it's about promoting what they sincerely think constitutes more deserving works. If you're willing to count that as progress.
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Erin Underwood
Apr. 26th, 2016 06:39 pm (UTC)
My Little Pony? Really?
Really? Finalist for the BEST DRAMATIC PRESENTATION (SHORT FORM) (2219 ballots)
My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic: “The Cutie Map” Parts 1 and 2

There have to be at least 300 SF/F television episodes that are better than this video. How in the world does this get nominated over groundbreaking episodes from PERSON OF INTEREST, THE 100, GOT, or any other SF/F TV series episode from last year.

I think there has got to be a devious backstory to this item getting onto the ballot. It was one of the Puppy suggestions. So, I have a feeling they are using it to make a point of some kind. Oh, well. At least the other four finalists were good choices.
Apr. 26th, 2016 07:10 pm (UTC)
Re: My Little Pony? Really?
There is a backstory. These episodes are about a character who gets separated from a childhood friend because they have different special talents, and in bitter revenge, sets out to magically negate everyone's special talent, until the main characters turn up and eventually show her wrong. So, a pro-diversity plot.

Which they misunderstood as an anti-equality message.

I am not joking. I was lurking in the Puppy nomination threads at the time. I thought that someone had to be trolling them, and they'd never fall for it. Right?


They literally thought that My Little Pony was making an anti-equality point. Yeah. Yeah, I know.

Also they're silly because it wasn't even close to the best episode that season. /s
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Apr. 26th, 2016 06:43 pm (UTC)
If "Space Raptor Butt Invasion" gets more votes than Vox Day, it'll be good. Not saying it should WIN, mind you, but it's certainly a more legitimate contender than "I didn't win a prize, in spite of trying to game the results, and so I'm whining."
Apr. 26th, 2016 08:23 pm (UTC)
Heck, I'd vote for that based on the title alone.
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Apr. 26th, 2016 06:44 pm (UTC)
I thought Seveneves was science fiction and palindromes at their best. The time jump and its aftermath.

...Vox Day's hate speech got a nomination? *and* as editor? What's he an editor...of? I'm surprised he didn't "get nominated" for best Fan Artist

Best Dramatic Presentation Long Form looks tight this year.

Season 5 didn't make the cut.
Apr. 26th, 2016 08:05 pm (UTC)
Re: Hugos
Holy crap! Until I read your comment I never realised Seveneves is a palindrome.

Guess I'm one of the Lucky 10,000 today. Thank you.

As for the Hugo finalists, I hoped this wouldn't happen but am not surprised. I figured the 500+ members who voted Vox Day for Best Editor last year would be sufficient in number for the Rabid Puppies slate to do well this year despite the greater overall participation in the nomination stage.

On the positive side, a number of non-RP works are also finalists, and if nothing else, this result strengthens the support for ratifying E Pluribus Hugo.
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Apr. 26th, 2016 06:52 pm (UTC)
Too Early... but a suggestion
Dear Mr. Martin,

If you decided to make a change to the nominating rules, can I suggest a simple one?

Maximum nominations per person in a single category --- 3

Number of finalists per category --- 9-12.

That will, I think, severely limit the influence of slating. It will create a different dynamic with so many finalists, but that slightly different dynamic will not necessarily be bad (is it a bad thing to have more Hugo finalists:-) ), and in my opinion be more than made up for by the fact that it will be very, very, very hard for slates to be the only nominations in a category.
Apr. 26th, 2016 07:20 pm (UTC)
Re: Too Early... but a suggestion
That's a more extreme version of 4/6, which passed last year and may -- should -- get ratified this year.

There's also the more complex EPH proposal, about which my own feelings are... well... more complex.
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Apr. 26th, 2016 07:22 pm (UTC)
Can we request an Alife List?
Is it possible to petition MidAmeriCon to release an "Alfie List"? ie: an UNOFFICIAL list of what the Hugo finalists list would have looked like with Rabid Puppy ballots removed? (A Rabid Puppy ballot being defined as any ballot in which at least two categories perfectly match the Rabid Puppies slate)
Apr. 26th, 2016 11:14 pm (UTC)
Re: Can we request an Alife List?
A list of top nominees which didn't make the ballot comes out after the Awards ceremony. (That's what George used to determine the main Alfie recipients last year.) Just remove the RP slate nominees from that.
Re: Can we request an Alife List? - EneaszWrites - Apr. 27th, 2016 03:04 am (UTC) - Expand
Collin Heisler
Apr. 26th, 2016 07:22 pm (UTC)
Best Dramatic Representations
I didn't expect to see The Avengers: Age of Ultron on the list. I thought it was too all over the place with inconsistent pacing and some strange dialogue. I would call it a decent movie at best.

The Force Awakens I thought was pretty good. There were a lot of similarities to A New Hope, but that doesn't bother me that much.

It's a shame Hardhome didn't make the cut. The entire episode was just outstanding, not just the battle in the last half or so. Easily one of the best Game of Thrones episodes yet.
Apr. 26th, 2016 07:30 pm (UTC)
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Amy Bisson
Apr. 26th, 2016 07:34 pm (UTC)
My Little Pony
On the one hand I am totally baffled that a 2-part My Little Pony episode actually made the final Hugo ballot, but also perversely kind of hoping it wins. I did not enjoy this past season of Doctor Who and don't follow any of the other shows that were nominated. Of course if any GoT episodes had been nominated, I would gladly have routed for those, but for now I'm just finding it both hilarious and bizarre that My Little Pony made the final ballot.
Frank Probst
Apr. 27th, 2016 03:26 am (UTC)
RE: My Little Pony
I would strongly suggest putting Jessica Jones (and Daredevil, for that matter) on your binge list.
The episode that was nominated is the season finale, but the primary narrative arc runs through all 13 episodes. Part of the fun of watching the show is trying to figure out just what the hell is going on.
Apr. 26th, 2016 07:44 pm (UTC)
You responded much more quickly than I expected. I'll be interested to hear your thoughts, because you've been a fascinating source of Hugo Information for me both as a reader and a writer. Thank you for the effort you've put in.
Piet Nel
Apr. 26th, 2016 08:35 pm (UTC)
Hugo Ballot
I'm afraid it happened again, and I don't have much more to say.
Frank Probst
Apr. 26th, 2016 09:07 pm (UTC)
First glance...
My first thought was that it doesn't look like any single category got swept by any particular bloc, so I think it's unlikely there will be any No Awards this year. It's nice to see Jessica Jones in there for Dramatic Presentation, Short Form, especially after the show just won a Peabody Award. Andy Weir and Pierce Brown in the Campbell Award category will make it an interesting face-off. Did Pierce Brown and/or Andy Weir come to Worldcon this year or last year? If both come this year, the autographing sessions will be enormous. The only way there could be longer lines is if Stephen King comes.
Apr. 26th, 2016 09:27 pm (UTC)
Re: First glance...
Um... you do know that I'm coming, yes? My lines are usually pretty long. Though they'd be a lot longer if we didn't cap them.

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Robert S.
Apr. 26th, 2016 09:18 pm (UTC)
It's an absolute shame that Mad Max won't win. I wish all the puppy nonsense had directed greater attention at the moronic practical-slates that always sweep the dramatic presentation fields.
Apr. 27th, 2016 05:43 am (UTC)
Re: QuintessentialDefenestration
I don't know why it won't win. It and The Martian are my two favourites and I honestly don't know which I'd rank higher.
Greg Machlin
Apr. 26th, 2016 10:34 pm (UTC)
Better than last year, but does look like we need EPH
Sorry you and GOT didn't get nominated this year, but I suspect Winds of Winter will be a *very* strong contender in its year of release.

This is better than last year: a lot more nominations, a lot more non-Puppy nominations, and fewer Rabid-dominated categories. And congrats to Alyssa Wong for her Campbell nod! Still clearly demonstrates the need for EPH (we shall have to agree to disagree on that! You're in good company, tho--the excellent Ben Yalow has reservations about it). Looks like I'll be going to the business meeting again this year to support it.

In the meantime, back to my own writing!
Apr. 27th, 2016 04:07 am (UTC)
To be clear, Ben Yalow has reservations about EPH for admirable and thoughtful reasons: He said (during Sasquan's WSFS Business Meeting) that Worldcon fandom should beware of seeming to change the rules solely because it didn't like the election results, especially when those new rules are so complex they require their own FAQ.

This is a valid point, one I respect though I voted the other way, and that I commend to everyone's attention. Or come to the MAC2 Business Meeting and hear the estimable Ben himself.

-- Rick Moen

Edited at 2016-04-27 04:10 am (UTC)
Apr. 26th, 2016 10:40 pm (UTC)
Being more selective....
I think there are some really good selections in the Novel category as well as some in the novella. Looks like maybe one or two quality works in novelette, the short story category appears to be a complete sabotage again. Unlike last year I am not going to spend the time to read those, it was a toxic experience for my leisure time. The Best Artist nominees aside from Larry Elmore are a complete mystery to me and I assume those were Puppy noms, Mr. Elmore's work is always good though. My one and five year old children would approve of the "My Little Pony" nod but I thought grownups were voting, strange.
Apr. 26th, 2016 11:49 pm (UTC)
Re: Being more selective....
My Little Pony is a great show that works for both children and grownups. We have dozens of modern works that are aimed at 10 year old boys that everyone claims to love (Star Wars, Transformers, comic books, etc), but a show aimed at girls is considered juvenile and stupid. That speaks more to the cultural sexism than it does to the Puppy slate.
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