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Hugo Nominees Announced

MidAmericon II has announced the final ballot for the 2016 Hugo Awards. You can find the list here:


It is, to say the least, a mixed bag. A lot of good books and stories, writers and artists... cheek by jowl with some stuff that is considerably less worthy.

I will have more to say when I've had more time to review and digest the ballot.


Apr. 26th, 2016 06:52 pm (UTC)
Too Early... but a suggestion
Dear Mr. Martin,

If you decided to make a change to the nominating rules, can I suggest a simple one?

Maximum nominations per person in a single category --- 3

Number of finalists per category --- 9-12.

That will, I think, severely limit the influence of slating. It will create a different dynamic with so many finalists, but that slightly different dynamic will not necessarily be bad (is it a bad thing to have more Hugo finalists:-) ), and in my opinion be more than made up for by the fact that it will be very, very, very hard for slates to be the only nominations in a category.
Apr. 26th, 2016 07:20 pm (UTC)
Re: Too Early... but a suggestion
That's a more extreme version of 4/6, which passed last year and may -- should -- get ratified this year.

There's also the more complex EPH proposal, about which my own feelings are... well... more complex.
Apr. 26th, 2016 11:01 pm (UTC)
Re: Too Early... but a suggestion
After following various discussions, my feeling is that 4/6 (or variations) will not make much difference. EPH seems much more effective to me. I look forward to hearing about the report on EPH being prepared for the Business Meeting.
Frank Probst
Apr. 26th, 2016 09:25 pm (UTC)
If it ain't broke...
I'm still in the "Leave the Rules Alone" camp. I honestly think last year was a one-off. Yes, there are some eye-rollers in there this year, but I don't see any category getting No Awarded.

Has anyone declined their nom yet? I remember Neil Gaiman declined his nom for The Ocean at the End of the Lane, so he may decline for The Sandman: Overture. That's a shared nom, though, so maybe not. I suspect Stephen King will politely decline. Any others?
Apr. 26th, 2016 11:06 pm (UTC)
Re: If it ain't broke...
They would have been given the opportunity to decline before the finalists were announced.
Apr. 26th, 2016 11:08 pm (UTC)
Re: If it ain't broke...
Potential finalists are contacted before the shortlist is announced and given an opportunity to decline. They do not always publicize that they have declined their nomination. Last year was unprecedented in that several finalists changed their minds and declined after the finalists were announced.
Apr. 26th, 2016 11:13 pm (UTC)
Re: If it ain't broke...
Last year several people declined after the nominations had been announced, when they realized that their nominations had only been achieved by gaming the system.

Did anyone decline this year? Possibly. Probably. But if anyone pulled themselves off the ballot, they did so before the announcement. We won't know about it until the nomination totals are announced on Hugo knight... unless, of course, they choose to tell us themselves.
Apr. 26th, 2016 11:45 pm (UTC)
Re: If it ain't broke...
This year it looks like the Puppies chose enough works that would have been nominated without gaming the system to make that choice less attractive.
Apr. 27th, 2016 05:34 am (UTC)
Re: If it ain't broke...
As I write here, an exploit, once successfully demonstrated, will be used until that exploit is patched. Not may: will.

We need e pluribus hugo (EPH).

Apr. 27th, 2016 05:59 am (UTC)
Re: If it ain't broke...
Frank Probst, I'd like to ask why you think this year is any different from last year? Are you aware that a number of reasonable-sounding nominations are actually VD's choices, e.g. he chose the whole of Short Story and all but one in novella and novelette.
VD is possessed of a certain low cunning at least, and he has cleverly selected some "decent" choices in amongst his spoilers in the hope of embarrassing people with his support. He's demonstrated that despite record numbers of ordinary fans turning out to vote, the relatively small numbers of his slate can still lock up 4 or 5 nominations in almost all categories.
Unless you want the Hugo ceremony to be the MC reading out "Space Raptor Butt Invasion" 4 or 5 times in every category every year then the rules need changing, and with all respect to our hosts' concerns that change needs to be EPH, because all 4/6 does is guarantee that it's "only" 4 repetitions of Space Raptor...


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