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Once Upon An Election...

We're on the cusp of the third and final (thank god) presidential debate of the 2016 presidential election. All the signs point to this one being even uglier than the last, which itself was the ugliest debate in the history of our nation.

Most of you reading this are younger than me. You may not know what presidential debates used to be like... what they should be like... but I remember.

Take a look below. (But be warned. You may find it boring. Serious discussions of policy are a lot less "exciting" than what we have today).

The Lincoln/ Douglas debates were pretty impressive as well, but alas, no video exists. ;(



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Oct. 19th, 2016 06:07 pm (UTC)
Hillary is terrible and Trump is worst , don't know how these two are the best candidate in the US
Oct. 19th, 2016 07:28 pm (UTC)
No, no... Trump is terrible and Hillary is worse. Seriously though, I'll be voting for Gary Johnson but I would support Jill Stein before either of these two.
Oct. 19th, 2016 06:07 pm (UTC)
2016 election
This whole election has been a disgrace. The fact the Bush family is supporting Hillary tells you all you need to know about Trump. Trump, making his supporters false promises. His supporters might be scarier than he is.
Oct. 19th, 2016 07:07 pm (UTC)
Re: 2016 election
And Billy Bush is no longer invited to Thanksgiving at Auntie Barbara's since he can't even sit at the kids table anymore! LOL.
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Oct. 19th, 2016 06:10 pm (UTC)
If they would only #LetGaryDebate...
Oct. 19th, 2016 06:15 pm (UTC)
This time around, it's all about who can sling mud harder and faster.
Jeremy Lakes
Oct. 19th, 2016 06:19 pm (UTC)
Better Candidates
The only way to improve the debates is to improve the quality of our Candidates. The major parties may have selcted these two, but we the people can still make another choice. Gary Johnson is as much of a clown as Hillary or Donald but I would love to see Jill Stein of the Green Party or Chris Keniston of the Veterans Party of America on the debate stage. They would never get the chance but either of them would outperform these two media backed Candidates by a wide margin.
Oct. 19th, 2016 06:41 pm (UTC)
Re: Better Candidates
In fairness Stein is not even remotely qualified to be President. You may not like Hillary on a personal level and you may not like her politics, but she is supremely qualified to lead this country.

I haven't liked or agreed with past Republican candidates, but I never questioned their ability to lead or govern. In this election only one candidate can clearly answer that call.
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Oct. 19th, 2016 06:32 pm (UTC)
It's ending??? It's finally ending???
I kept thinking all year what will happen 1st? Will Mr. RR get his book out or the horrible US election spam will finally end? Looks like the election won! haha

Uhh this video is soo boring. No interruptions, no rape accusations, candidates actually answer the questions.

Edited at 2016-10-19 06:42 pm (UTC)
Mike Glyer
Oct. 19th, 2016 06:44 pm (UTC)
Apparently some towns have a tradition of annually re-enacting the Lincoln/Douglas debate that took place there.

Twenty years ago CSPAN spent a summer covering them all. It was great showmanship. Some towns had a local guy who played Lincoln every year, others hired an actor.
Oct. 19th, 2016 08:06 pm (UTC)
Thank you for posting this. Brought back so many memories. At times it seemed as if (soon to be) President Kennedy was speaking from a time machine directly to us here to day.
Oct. 19th, 2016 08:09 pm (UTC)
The good old days
Just take a look at how Wikileaks is being treated. They are putting the truth out, and for that are being called opritaves of another county trying to alter the election.. think about that, the truth is being used to alter our election..
also after 2 debates, not once has the water situation in flint Michigan been brought up by either candidate.
Oct. 19th, 2016 08:40 pm (UTC)
Re: The good old days
Flint should certainly be discussed.

So should global warming, by far the biggest issue the country -- and the human race -- is facing.

As for Wikileaks... I don't like Russia trying to influence our election, but even beyond that, I have deep qualms about Wikileaks. Once upon a time when the Watergate burglars broke in to Democratic headquarters, we called it breaking and entering and theft and the nation was outraged. "Hacking" is just breaking and entering and theft by another name. The public has the right to know what government agencies are doing, but not private emails.

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Piet Nel
Oct. 19th, 2016 08:56 pm (UTC)
I'm confused.

Neither candidate claimed to have spoken to "a lot of people" who agreed that their plan was "tremendous" or that it was going to be "beautiful". Neither threatened to jail the other.

What were voters supposed to make of all this prattle about policies and issues?
Dan Koifman
Oct. 19th, 2016 09:56 pm (UTC)
I love your line about how the villains in your world are much smarter than Trump. J.K. Rowling said that Trump is worse than Voldemort.

Donald Trump is like King Joffrey; a petulant little man who wants to be feared, loved and have have the world swear fealty to His Grace. “I am the King!”, said no true king.

Our country is having a crisis not just of leadership but a systemic crisis of followership. The latter is far more dangerous.

It's genuinely frightening. But I have faith things will work out in the long run.

Edited at 2016-10-19 10:07 pm (UTC)
Oct. 19th, 2016 10:00 pm (UTC)
There was an Onion article from 2011 about Herman Cain, with no text but the headline:

Rumors Of Extramarital Affair End Campaign Of Presidential Candidate Who Didn't Know China Has Nuclear Weapons

In a campaign in which the Republican political candidate has openly suggested targeting the families of terrorists, wants to use torture 'even if it doesn't work', has shown he doesn't know the difference between Hamas and Hezbollah, thinks one of our big mistakes in Iraq was that we didn't just 'take the oil', argues in public that our NATO obligations are negotiable, doesn't seem to grasp the reason we can't use nukes if we have them, expresses repeated admiration for dictators, threatens and bans news organizations who report on him in ways he doesn't like, doesn't seem to grasp why U.S. debt is not something you can just default on like the debt from a bankrupt casino...

...the issue which has destroyed his candidacy, by all appearances, is a sex scandal about 'grabbing pussy'.

None of the above things prior to the sex scandal was enough to get Republicans to definitively turn on him. None of it was enough to make him non-viable as a candidate. None of it was enough to convince people that, however bad Clinton and her E-mails are, Trump borders on an existential threat for our form of government.

The man still draws huge crowds and has a vast, loyal following. He will still win states and it's not completely impossible he could still win the presidency.

Trump doesn't scare me. There have always been bullshit artists. The utter apathy of the citizenry and media of this country towards policy issues that actually matter, as opposed to tired political theater, is what scares me.
Oct. 19th, 2016 10:17 pm (UTC)
Donald Trump is a national embarrassment.
Oct. 20th, 2016 02:25 am (UTC)
My opinion
As a brazilian, i'm scared that Trump has a real chance Of Win the election. Really, really scared. Don't know much about Hillary, but Trump is ridiculous.
Oct. 20th, 2016 03:26 am (UTC)

My theory is that the whole purpose of a Trump campaign is to pave the way for a Clinton presidency. Considering what comes out of Trump's mouth, I think he is purposely trying to discredit himself and his campaign. I think the System (mainstream media and other outlets) is trying to corral voters to vote for Clinton. Neither candidate is qualified to be my next president. I fear Clinton will take us into war. I cannot trust her considering her flip flopping on key issues and dealings around the Clinton Foundation. And as for Trump, I honestly just see him as a cartoon character who has no intention of winning the election.

Oct. 20th, 2016 05:08 am (UTC)
I think you give both Clinton and Trump too much credit. Virtually everyone expected Trump would flame out early in the Republican primary, a joke candidate no one really thought they would have to take seriously.

If Clinton anticipated with that much accuracy how the Republican electorate in 2016 would turn on their traditional leadership in favor of a bigoted, ignorant con man and bullshit artist, and that the same BS artist routine would then go on to alienate the general electorate outside of the primaries, then asked her buddy Trump to purposefully play that role for her so she could be President, then Clinton is basically Littlefinger on steroids. I don't think she's got that kind of foresight.

And if it is true, and Clinton is a fiendish mastermind the likes of which our political landscape has never seen, then...well, let's just say I'd be moderately happier being ruled by an amoral but highly competent individual like Littlefinger/Clinton than by a sociopathic incompetent like Joffrey/Trump.

Edited at 2016-10-20 05:49 am (UTC)
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