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Bad Presidents

Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.

But sometimes fiction can take truth and turn it up to eleven.

We all know how the recent presidential election turned out in the real world. Hilary Clinton won by three million votes, but Donald Trump is going to take office in a week and a half, thanks to the electoral college, James Comey, and some Russian hackers. I've seen a lot of Trump voters saying, yes, Trump was bad, but they thought Clinton was worse, so... lesser of two evils and all that. (FWIW, I don't think Hilary was evil, but even if we accept that premise, no way she was the lesser when up against the Pussygrabber-in-Chief).

I don't want to talk real world politics here, however. We've done a lot of that this past year, and we have four more years of it ahead of us.

Instead I want to expand the "choice of evils" template with a little thought experiment, and weigh Trump against some fictional presidents and presidential candidates.

So... if the recent presidential election had pitted Donald Trump against Francis Underwood (HOUSE OF CARDS) and Gregg Hartmann (WILD CARDS), who would you have voted for?

And if you don't know who Gregg Hartmann is... well, go check out our new Wild Cards website at http://www.wildcardsworld.com/ . Our plan is to keep the site fresh with blog posts every couple of weeks, and the first of those just went up: a rumination by Stephen Leigh on the long and storied career of Gregg Hartmann, aka Puppetman, whose saga lasted from the first volume of WILD CARDS all the way through volume fifteen.

Read it and enjoy, and post your choices here: Trump, Underwood, or Hartmann. With reasons.

NO off topic comments, please.

FWIW, Hartmann never did manage to achieve the White House in the Wild Cards universe. But Leo Barnett did, so I am not sure that's a total win...


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Jan. 8th, 2017 12:41 am (UTC)
Underwood. Yes yes, he is a cold bastard without any moral compass and a murderer, but he's also an efficient leader who can keep his cool.
Mahmoud Mohey
Jan. 8th, 2017 12:41 am (UTC)
Joffrey is better than trumb 😂
Jan. 8th, 2017 12:43 am (UTC)
F.U. 2016
F.U. 2016
Jan. 8th, 2017 12:53 am (UTC)
Frank Underwood of course. In FU we trust.

Edited at 2017-01-08 02:09 am (UTC)
Flynn Pollard
Jan. 8th, 2017 12:54 am (UTC)
That's a rough choice George
But I think I'd go with Underwood. He at least seems transparent
Jan. 8th, 2017 12:56 am (UTC)
You really wanted to highlight a point about the lesser of evils!

I would unfortunately choose Trump as President.
Simply because I could not condone any literal murderer in office.
Regardless of potential, capability and intelligence it is a standard that should never be compromised as it is a fundamental law of human nature.... even if the alternative is a snake oil salesman with bad hair.
Jan. 8th, 2017 07:19 pm (UTC)
Crap. You make excellent points. And I HATE that it makes so much sense. Anyone capable of personally committing murder is far more dangerous and calculating than the man-child.
Don't want a murderer for POTUS - bookish_adw - Jan. 8th, 2017 09:27 pm (UTC) - Expand
Tristan Donat (Tenkei)
Jan. 8th, 2017 12:57 am (UTC)
Frank Underwood, no doubt about it in my mind.
Jan. 8th, 2017 12:58 am (UTC)
Anyone but Hartmann
Trump and Underwood can be checked by other government offices. Hartmann would be very hard to stop due to his abilities...
Shara Rondon
Jan. 8th, 2017 01:00 am (UTC)
My initial reaction is that any politician, even a murdering one like Underwood, would be a better president than Trump, simply because of experience. Politics in general is such a cynical and dirty system that uses utilitarianism as a guise and completely distorts it to keep the elite machine running. It's one of the reasons Clinton lost voters and Bernie lost the DNC nomination. Clinton had skeletons in her closet and Bernie was the Jon Snow that no one listens to. Real life is much stranger than fiction.
Jan. 8th, 2017 01:01 am (UTC)
The lesser of three evils.

Hartmann pretends that it's all about helping Wild Card victims, but it's really about him and he hid it very well.
Underwood. Because sometimes you need a bastards' bastard in the Big Chair.
Jan. 8th, 2017 01:03 am (UTC)
Russian Hackers :)
Jan. 8th, 2017 01:04 am (UTC)
President Underwood
I choose Underwood because I honestly don't know Hartmann, and [House of Cards' spoilers coming] even if he killed someone I think he has some kind of moral and purpose that Trump doesn't have.
Jan. 8th, 2017 01:18 am (UTC)
As a Brazilian
as a brazilian, i'm getting used to see political scandal, public money going into private accounts, travels, cars, etc. But here in Brazil, we NEVER thought that Trump could have a chance of winning. It was a very big surprise (in the worst way).

And as a huge House of Cards fan, i'm looking forward to see how the new season will try to be crazy as the real life politics. It won't be easy...
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Brad Barclay
Jan. 8th, 2017 01:32 am (UTC)
French toast please?
Can I just be glad I live in a Parliamentary Democracy that would never elect _any_ of these people, and just leave it at that? %-)
Jan. 8th, 2017 12:35 pm (UTC)
RE: French toast please?
But the original FU -- Francis Urquhart, was Prime Minister of the UK in the original House of Cards. And in my opinion, he was far scarier than the US version.
Re: French toast please? - machiavelli_jr - Jan. 9th, 2017 09:35 am (UTC) - Expand
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