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About Those Spinoffs...

So while I was on the road out California way, the story broke about the four GAME OF THRONES spinoffs that HBO is developing. And of course the news has since spread everywhere, all over the web and all over the world.

Yes, it's true. More or less. Though, as is all too common these days, various distortions and misapprehensions have crept into some of the reports along the way. And television being the fast-moving business that it is, there have already been some further developments.

For what it's worth, I don't especially like the term "spinoff," and I don't think it really applies to these new projects. What we're talking about are new stories set in the "secondary universe" (to borrow Tolkien's term) of Westeros and the world beyond, the world I created for A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE. It is a world, and a pretty big one, and if there were eight million stories in the naked city back in the 50s, just think how many more there are in an entire world, and one with thousands of years of recorded history.

None of these new shows will be 'spinning off' from GOT in the traditional sense. We are not talking Joey or AfterMASH or even Frazier or Lou Grant, where characters from one show continue on to another. So all of you who were hoping for the further adventures of Hot Pie are doomed to disappointment. Every one of the concepts under discussion is a prequel, rather than a sequel. Some may not even be set on Westeros. Rather than 'spinoff' or 'prequel,' however, I prefer the term 'successor show.' That's what I've been calling them.

Yes, I am involved, and have been for months. I had my first meeting with HBO about the possibility of a successor show back in August, when I pitched them two possible series. (One of those is among the concepts being developed, one is not). In the months that followed, other writers were brought in and pitched other ideas. Ultimately HBO decided to go ahead with four separate developments, to be written by Max Borenstein, Jane Goldman, Brian Helgeland, and Carly Wray.

It was stated in some of the reports that I am working with two of the four writers. That's not quite right. I've actually been working with all four of the writers. Every one of the four has visited me here in Santa Fe, some of them more than once, and we've spent days together discussing their ideas, the history of Westeros and the world beyond, and sundry details found only in The World of Ice & Fire and The Lands of Ice & Fire... when we weren't drinking margaritas and eating chile rellenos and visiting Meow Wolf. They are all amazing talents, and I am excited to be working with them. In between visits, I've been in touch with them by phone, text, and email, and I expect there will be a lot more back-and-forth as we move forward.

And there's more. We had four scripts in development when I arrived in LA last week, but by the time I left we had five. We have added a fifth writer to the original four. No, I will not reveal the name here. HBO announced the names of the first four, and will no doubt announce the fifth as well, once his deal has closed. He's a really terrific addition, however, a great guy and a fine writer, and aside from me and maybe Elio and Linda, I don't know anyone who knows and loves Westeros as well as he does.

Some of the reports of these developments seem to suggest that HBO might be adding four successor shows to the schedule to replace GAME OF THRONES. Decades of experience in television and film have taught me that nothing is ever really certain... but I do think it's very unlikely that we'll be getting four (or five) series. At least not immediately. What we do have here is an order for four -- now five -- pilot scripts. How many pilots will be filmed, and how many series might come out of that, remains to be seen. (If we do get five series on the air, I might have to change my name to Dick Direwolf).

The one goal that EVERYONE involved shares here is to make these new shows just as good as GAME OF THRONES itself. No easy task, mind you. David Benioff and Dan Weiss are a tough, tough act to follow, as all those Emmys demonstrate.

I can't tell you what the shows will be about (well, I could, but I won't), but I will tell you a couple of things they WON'T be. Which will disappoint some of you, sure, but better to do that now than later, I think.

We're not doing Dunk & Egg. Eventually, sure, I'd love that, and so would many of you. But I've only written and published three novellas to date, and there are at least seven or eight or ten more I want to write. We all know how slow I am, and how fast a television show can move. I don't want to repeat what happened with GAME OF THRONES itself, where the show gets ahead of the books. When the day comes that I've finished telling all my tales of Dunk & Egg, then we'll do a tv show about them... but that day is still a long ways off.

We're not doing Robert's Rebellion either. I know thousands of you want that, I know there's a petition... but by the time I finish writing A SONG OF ICE & FIRE, you will know every important thing that happened in Robert's Rebellion. There would be no surprises or revelations left in such a show, just the acting out of conflicts whose resolutions you already know. That's not a story I want to tell just now; it would feel too much like a twice-told tale.

More than that, I will not say. Feel free to makes your guesses, if you like... but I am not going to be confirming or denying anything, so don't expect replies.

And yes, before someone asks, I AM STILL WORKING ON WINDS OF WINTER and will continue working on it until it's done. I will confess, I do wish I could clone myself, or find a way to squeeze more hours into the day, or a way to go without sleep. But this is what it is, so I keep on juggling. WINDS OF WINTER, five successor shows, FIRE AND BLOOD (that's the GRRMarillion, remember?), four new Wild Cards books, some things I can't tell you about yet... it's a good thing I love my work.

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godwce
May. 15th, 2017 10:37 pm (UTC)
I'm all about having a "successor show" that put other regions in perspective. Game of Thrones is focused on some houses (Starks, Lannisters and Daenerys), the other characters have been poorly portrayed.
RaUL_AMDERLAINE
May. 15th, 2017 11:03 pm (UTC)
Why oh why, isn't HBO trying to get Fevre Dream up ion the air, since it would be a new True Blood but written by that Game of Thrones fella? :-)
John Vreeland
May. 15th, 2017 11:14 pm (UTC)
Language in Ice&Fire
In some notional sense the World of Ice in Fire is set in the same Universe GRRM has been using for decades. It has some features (such as odd seasons) that sound like other worlds he has written about without seeming to be any one in particular. What this means is that it is NOT EARTH, as you can easily tell by looking at a map. This also means that it is about thirty to fifty-thousand years removed from our time (according to the maesters), so whatever earth-like languages were once spoken there have been gone for almost that long.

As for puns... well, they never translate well as the translators of these books will tell you. That they translate well into English is just a fortunate coincidence.
Jeremy Scholem
May. 15th, 2017 11:21 pm (UTC)
Let's really think about this
The successor shows need stories that have narrative tension, interesting characters on multiple sides, and a grand sweep of events. They will probably stay in the medieval/renaissance-fantasy milieu and not go to a prehistoric/ancient-mythological one.
That leaves a few highly likely candidates.
1. Dance of Dragons
2. Valyrian-Rhoynar wars and Nymeria's search for refuge.
3. Aegon's conquest through the reign of Jahaerys the Conciliator.
4. Blackfyre Rebellion.
5. The struggle after the Doom, with the appearance of the Dothraki, Tigers vs. Elephants, etc.
With the added bonus of no need for CGI dragons for the last two.
David Levin
May. 15th, 2017 11:21 pm (UTC)
Exciting stuff!
Thanks GRRM for the updates. Always good to get the news from the horses mouth.
Umar MF
May. 15th, 2017 11:32 pm (UTC)
These are my top 5+ possibilities:

1. Valyria (including the Fall of Valyria)
2. Aegon's Conquest
3. Princess Nymeria & her 10 thousands ships ( basically the Rhoynar)
4. Dance of the Dragons (the Targaryen Civil War)
5. The Long Night ( basically when last the White Walkers last came with their extreme winter)

I think other candidates could be centered around 1. The Children of the Forest VS The First Men (basically the Eastern invaders vs the indigenous Westerosi) 2. The Andals vs the First Men (basically the new invaders vs the old invaders) and 3. The Age of Heroes(period of peace between the First Men and the Children of the Forest). It will be great to get a series based on other worlds too, probably some of the free cities like Braavos and Volantis or faraway Yi Ti or Melisandre's hometown Asshai-by-the-Shadow.
ADragonDemands
May. 15th, 2017 11:44 pm (UTC)
Will successor shows fix the Essos map?
Over on the Game of Thrones Wiki we're the obsessive fans who notice such details, but will the successor shows update/fix the Essos map, of the Further East beyond the Bones?

Current world map is based on that old version you gave depicting the Jade Sea as north of Qarth, when it's really south of Qarth by Lands of Ice and Fire.

Quite the conundrum, as it means we can't accurately depict Yi Ti on in-universe maps.

The map artist himself has weighed in on this and chalked it up to in-universe maps being based on fuzzy knowledge, even the Lands map isn't "technically' accurate but just what a maester in Westeros might know.

So this has nothing to do with spoiler information for whichever new series, but will it finally get around to fixing the Essos map? Or is that tied up in some legal issues?
grrm
May. 16th, 2017 12:13 am (UTC)
Re: Will successor shows fix the Essos map?
I would vote for that, certainly.
umf2
May. 15th, 2017 11:52 pm (UTC)
My Top 5 Possible Spinoffs
These are my top 5 possibilities:

1. Valyria (including the Fall of Valyria)
2. Aegon's Conquest
3. Princess Nymeria & her 10 thousand ships ( basically the Rhoynar)
4. Dance of the Dragons (the Targaryen Civil War)
5. The Long Night ( basically when last the White Walkers last came with their extreme winter)
I think other candidates could be centered around 1. The Children of the Forest VS The First Men (basically the Eastern invaders vs the indigenous Westerosi) 2. The Andals vs the First Men (basically the new invaders vs the old invaders) and 3. The Age of Heroes(period of peace between the First Men and the Children of the Forest). It will be great to get a series based on other worlds too, probably some of the free cities like Braavos and Volantis or far away Yi Ti or Melisandre's hometown Asshai-by-the-Shadow.
onofriog
May. 16th, 2017 12:12 am (UTC)
I don't mean to be annoying but,even though these prequels were just announced is there a way I can audition for them when the time comes?
grrm
May. 16th, 2017 12:14 am (UTC)
Depends on where we film, where you live, what your credits are, and a hundred other factors.
(no subject) - onofriog - May. 16th, 2017 12:29 am (UTC) - Expand
Matthew Reed
May. 16th, 2017 12:14 am (UTC)
Perhaps the rise of the targaryen's. Or Bran the builder or The smiling knight and the kingswood brotherhood.
João Gerardo
May. 16th, 2017 12:34 am (UTC)
I appreciate your thought
thank you by this confirmation. I´m already anxious to watch the spinoffs.

Edited at 2017-05-16 12:37 am (UTC)
_travis2323
May. 16th, 2017 01:37 am (UTC)
First and foremost, as much as it saddens me, I understand your artistic reasoning for not delving further into Hotpie's story. Some characters are so great that they exist beyond the author's reach.

Not to jump the gun, but could it be Brian Cogman? I struggle to consider a writer more capable to write about your world.

I'm saddened to hear Dunk and Egg aren't involved, but understand your reasoning. Moreover, I fully agree with the decision not to show Robert's Rebellion. I believe it and its characters work far better as backstory. Rhaegar as he stands as an enigma is one of my favorite characters. As a fan of real world history, I'm excited to hear how the tale unfolds. Thanks for doing what you do.


84trillion
May. 16th, 2017 01:44 am (UTC)
Thank you so much for this amazing update. I wish you well and am so grateful for the world you have created and shared with all of us. ❤
Taylor Osieczanek
May. 16th, 2017 02:31 am (UTC)
Thank you so much
Thank you so much for all your work. I absolutely love the A Song of Ice and Fire series and can't wait to read The Winds of Winter, but I also understand how detailed the story/stories are and completely understand how time consuming it must be.

Just wanted to thank you for the thrill, excitement and intrigue your writing and story-telling brings to life. Oh, and I can't wait for you to shock everyone when you reveal Jon Snow is Eddard and Ashara Dayne's son and Aegon is Lyanna and Rhaegar's child.

Thanks again, keep up the great work!!!
MisrexXxXx
May. 16th, 2017 03:02 am (UTC)
Please oh please let it be the princes and the queen! I would die happy if I could see that as a show. It would make for such amazing television.
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