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About Those Spinoffs...

So while I was on the road out California way, the story broke about the four GAME OF THRONES spinoffs that HBO is developing. And of course the news has since spread everywhere, all over the web and all over the world.

Yes, it's true. More or less. Though, as is all too common these days, various distortions and misapprehensions have crept into some of the reports along the way. And television being the fast-moving business that it is, there have already been some further developments.

For what it's worth, I don't especially like the term "spinoff," and I don't think it really applies to these new projects. What we're talking about are new stories set in the "secondary universe" (to borrow Tolkien's term) of Westeros and the world beyond, the world I created for A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE. It is a world, and a pretty big one, and if there were eight million stories in the naked city back in the 50s, just think how many more there are in an entire world, and one with thousands of years of recorded history.

None of these new shows will be 'spinning off' from GOT in the traditional sense. We are not talking Joey or AfterMASH or even Frazier or Lou Grant, where characters from one show continue on to another. So all of you who were hoping for the further adventures of Hot Pie are doomed to disappointment. Every one of the concepts under discussion is a prequel, rather than a sequel. Some may not even be set on Westeros. Rather than 'spinoff' or 'prequel,' however, I prefer the term 'successor show.' That's what I've been calling them.

Yes, I am involved, and have been for months. I had my first meeting with HBO about the possibility of a successor show back in August, when I pitched them two possible series. (One of those is among the concepts being developed, one is not). In the months that followed, other writers were brought in and pitched other ideas. Ultimately HBO decided to go ahead with four separate developments, to be written by Max Borenstein, Jane Goldman, Brian Helgeland, and Carly Wray.

It was stated in some of the reports that I am working with two of the four writers. That's not quite right. I've actually been working with all four of the writers. Every one of the four has visited me here in Santa Fe, some of them more than once, and we've spent days together discussing their ideas, the history of Westeros and the world beyond, and sundry details found only in The World of Ice & Fire and The Lands of Ice & Fire... when we weren't drinking margaritas and eating chile rellenos and visiting Meow Wolf. They are all amazing talents, and I am excited to be working with them. In between visits, I've been in touch with them by phone, text, and email, and I expect there will be a lot more back-and-forth as we move forward.

And there's more. We had four scripts in development when I arrived in LA last week, but by the time I left we had five. We have added a fifth writer to the original four. No, I will not reveal the name here. HBO announced the names of the first four, and will no doubt announce the fifth as well, once his deal has closed. He's a really terrific addition, however, a great guy and a fine writer, and aside from me and maybe Elio and Linda, I don't know anyone who knows and loves Westeros as well as he does.

Some of the reports of these developments seem to suggest that HBO might be adding four successor shows to the schedule to replace GAME OF THRONES. Decades of experience in television and film have taught me that nothing is ever really certain... but I do think it's very unlikely that we'll be getting four (or five) series. At least not immediately. What we do have here is an order for four -- now five -- pilot scripts. How many pilots will be filmed, and how many series might come out of that, remains to be seen. (If we do get five series on the air, I might have to change my name to Dick Direwolf).

The one goal that EVERYONE involved shares here is to make these new shows just as good as GAME OF THRONES itself. No easy task, mind you. David Benioff and Dan Weiss are a tough, tough act to follow, as all those Emmys demonstrate.

I can't tell you what the shows will be about (well, I could, but I won't), but I will tell you a couple of things they WON'T be. Which will disappoint some of you, sure, but better to do that now than later, I think.

We're not doing Dunk & Egg. Eventually, sure, I'd love that, and so would many of you. But I've only written and published three novellas to date, and there are at least seven or eight or ten more I want to write. We all know how slow I am, and how fast a television show can move. I don't want to repeat what happened with GAME OF THRONES itself, where the show gets ahead of the books. When the day comes that I've finished telling all my tales of Dunk & Egg, then we'll do a tv show about them... but that day is still a long ways off.

We're not doing Robert's Rebellion either. I know thousands of you want that, I know there's a petition... but by the time I finish writing A SONG OF ICE & FIRE, you will know every important thing that happened in Robert's Rebellion. There would be no surprises or revelations left in such a show, just the acting out of conflicts whose resolutions you already know. That's not a story I want to tell just now; it would feel too much like a twice-told tale.

More than that, I will not say. Feel free to makes your guesses, if you like... but I am not going to be confirming or denying anything, so don't expect replies.

And yes, before someone asks, I AM STILL WORKING ON WINDS OF WINTER and will continue working on it until it's done. I will confess, I do wish I could clone myself, or find a way to squeeze more hours into the day, or a way to go without sleep. But this is what it is, so I keep on juggling. WINDS OF WINTER, five successor shows, FIRE AND BLOOD (that's the GRRMarillion, remember?), four new Wild Cards books, some things I can't tell you about yet... it's a good thing I love my work.


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May. 17th, 2017 01:06 am (UTC)
My guess at a show is follow the money to the the Iron Bank
Wow 5 possible successor shows in development is fantastic. I really like your approach to getting a successor show in place.

It's like giving Miguel Cabrera 5 at bats in a game. With any luck you will get a home run, or two, or three, and a couple of RBIs to boot. With a lot of luck you might get a Grand Slam. I will hope for nothing but your best success.

I am going to throw a dart, and guess, The Iron Bank written by Daniel Abraham.

I have always thought that a show surrounding the day to day, and year to year trappings of The Iron Bank would make for a great drama. They seem to have always had their hands in everyone else s pie. They are kingmakers and land takers, and have been instrumental in your world's development. They are both hero and villain, depending on who is telling their story.

Abraham would be my choice. He has already spent a good deal of time on the subject of "Fantasy Banking" with his five books in The Dagger and the Coin series.

Edited at 2017-05-17 01:11 am (UTC)
May. 17th, 2017 08:18 pm (UTC)
Re: My guess at a show is follow the money to the the Iron Bank
Daniel is an amazing talent and would do a splendid job, I am sure... but he has his hands full with THE EXPANSE, books and series both, and his own solo novels as well.
May. 18th, 2017 10:42 pm (UTC)
If we all just had an unlimited resource of time.

Well that is true. I certainly would not want to see either Daniel or Ty stopping what they are doing with The Expanse. Both their books and TV Show are some of the best Space Opera that I have read or watched in a very long time.

Maybe HBO will adopt Amazon’s new practice of airing the pilot episodes of shows they are considering, with your five projects, like they have with Oasis starring Richard Madden. Now that is a show I want to see more of.
May. 17th, 2017 06:16 am (UTC)

Just for the record: I would LOVE something about the Greyjoys (maybe the life of the librarian, Asha's uncle) or a set of stories like ser Arthur Dayne's youth and that forbidden lovestory that took place on Dorne. (Sorry I don't remember the names, it's been a while since I read the books.)

May. 17th, 2017 02:36 pm (UTC)
Some of you don't think Dragon Riders wearing Valyrian Steel Armor waring on dragon back, Aegon I and his sisters conquering westeros, former Bravosi slaves possibly plotting against Valyria, the Doom of Valyria and Dark Asshai magic having something to do with the unconventional seasons or the long night , Azor Ahai and the forging of the Prince that was promised, and Brandon the Builder, Garth Greenhand, and the War of the First Men can't be entertaining? It's also possible they could tell us what's beyond the Sunset Sea. An Easter Egg hint given to us by Arya last season.

All this said I have faith in HBO taking on this project, and in very glad we're not done with the ASOIAF realm after season 8
Matt Barrett
May. 17th, 2017 11:58 pm (UTC)
I can wait
Who needs Winds, when we've got the real life and modern day game of thrones with Trump, Congress, and the media? I mean I'll read it whenever it comes out, but meanwhile there's plenty to keep me entertained.

Edited at 2017-05-18 02:42 am (UTC)
Matt O'Reilly
May. 18th, 2017 03:23 am (UTC)
Hi George, I apologise if someone else has already asked this in the other 176 comments. However:

Could we expect another sample chapter from TWOW or are we all sample chaptered out.


Matt from Aus.
May. 18th, 2017 01:25 pm (UTC)
My guesses

The Old North (Around the time of Theon Stark)
The riverlands of the Justman kings
Nymeria, the flight of the Rhoynar and the unification of Dorne
Some explorer traveling to the mysterious edges of the world
The Dance of Dragons
Those are my guesses for the record
Andrea Zibellino
May. 18th, 2017 05:17 pm (UTC)
Is the fifth writer Neil Gaiman? :D Just kidding, greeting from Italy, George.
May. 18th, 2017 09:20 pm (UTC)
I'm tempted to guess one of those shows is about Aegon the Conqueror and his sisters, but that'd be like doing Robert's Rebellion: we already know what happens.

If I were doing a successor series of GoT, it'd either be the Dance of Dragons (that lovely Targaryen civil war that's mentioned but not elaborated upon), or a war that happened between the Seven Kingdoms before Aegon showed up. That would be fun. :)
May. 19th, 2017 06:39 am (UTC)
May. 19th, 2017 08:44 am (UTC)
<3 Thank you for the clarification!

I'm sad it won't be Dunk and Egg. However, I'm sure it will be superb if HBO and you are involved. Looking forward to it!

Don't work too hard and take care!
May. 19th, 2017 10:43 am (UTC)
The Dance
The Dance of Dragons would be my choice. Plenty of established characters, a lot of lore, and a very GOT-like plot line.
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