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Eli Benched???

The Giants season is lost, plainly. Whether they win or lose the rest of the way is meaningless. So, yes, it makes a certain amount of sense to see what they have for the future. Eli Manning is aging... though this year's failures are hardly his fault, given the injuries to the wideouts, the lack of a running game, and the porous offensive line that gives him little or no time to throw. Big Blue has a rookie quarterback on the roster, the third round draft choice Davis Webb, and the team needs to know if he is the answer for the post-Eli era, so they can determine whether or not to spend what will likely be a very high draft pick on one of the quarterbacks coming out of college this year.

All that being said.... benching Eli Manning in the manner the Giants did yesterday was classless and inexcusable.

And benching him to start Geno Smith is insane.

GENO SMITH??? Really????

Nobody knows whether or not Davis Webb is a scrub, a journeyman, an NFL calibre starting qb, or a potential Hall of Famer. To find out, he needs some playing time, some experience. Geno Smith has had plenty of playing time, however. Geno Smith was not the answer on the Jets, and he is not the future of the Giants either.

This move smacks of desperation, and Ben McAdoo and Jerry Reese have good reason to be desperate. They were on shaky ground before this, given Reese's poor drafts and the way McAdoo has handled this disaster of a season. Come the off-season, I expect McAdoo, Reese, and Geno Smith will all be gone. I certainly hope so.

The sad part is that Eli may well be gone as well.

Eli may be aging, but he is not yet old. He is younger than Tom Brady or Drew Brees, both of whom are still going strong, and he has never missed a start. He has two or three more good seasons in him, I think. Whether his successor is Davis Webb or a college qb yet to be drafted, the best course for the Giants would be to identify that successor and then let him sit and learn from Eli, the way Brady sat behind Drew Bledsoe, Chad Pennington sat behind Vinnie Testaverde, and Aaron Rodgers sat behind Brett Favre. But that may be impossible now.


Oh, life is miserable and full of pain.



Nov. 29th, 2017 08:40 pm (UTC)
Over in Dolphin land things are not much better
As a fellow Patriot's hater, I feel your pain.

The Dolphins can't seem to get a great qb, but then when we land a serviceable one, we can't get a great coach.

I thought Coughlin was a good coach (2 superbowls) and certainly better than the current guy.

Perhaps, we need a new sport to root for. The Islanders aren't doing too bad.
Nov. 29th, 2017 08:55 pm (UTC)
I honestly don't know what they were thinking. I find it hard to believe they didn't know the unanimously negative backlash they would receive by doing this. From fans to players or staff they would want to bring on in the off season, the Giants brand is now tainted, at least as long as Reese and McAdoo remain.

It'll be ironic when the Giants get the #1 pick and that pick refuses to play there due to poor team management... when did that last happen again? ;)
Nov. 29th, 2017 09:24 pm (UTC)
Geno Smith getting bumped up to starter is about as stupid a move as naming, say, a Kettleblack to the Kingsguard.

Let's just hope no one makes McAdoo do a walk of penance...
Taylor Becktold
Nov. 29th, 2017 09:40 pm (UTC)
My mind when I read that Geno Smith was starting
Nov. 29th, 2017 10:05 pm (UTC)
A bit sad about Eli but its a tough business. From a Money Ball perspecitve he has not had good numbers for sometime. Beckham changed that a bit but for whatever reasons his TD/interception ratio and passer rating has been below average for sometime. The Giants benched Hall of Famer Kurt Warner to start rookie Manning. That's football.

But to start Gino? Why? Try your rookie in a lost season. The Giants are tanking to get at least the second pick (either USC or UCLA's QB). So for the same reason the 49ers did not want to send in Galfigo - its a lost season anyway. But I hate pro teams that tank. The people pay money to see you play as well as possible with the talent on hand. For now that should be Eli or if not a rookie with potential. Gino brings nothing not even the interest of can he do it - no he can't.

Salary cap makes it tough to stockpile a promising rookie behind a expensive starting vet.

Coaching matters too, look at what a change of coaches did for the Ram's Goff (but Giant coach was offensive coordinator....). Bunch of new faces for the Giants next year.

Nov. 30th, 2017 12:01 am (UTC)
As a Redskins fan, I was "trained" growing up to "hate" the Giants, but I respect the heck out of Eli's career and how he's carried himself in public and on the field. Two time Super Bowl winner deserves better.
Maximilian Rubell
Nov. 30th, 2017 01:41 am (UTC)
If Prince Daemon Targaryen's spymaster Mysaria hired Blood and Cheese to remove either the Jets or the Giants from the NFL permanently, and they confronted you in the Tower of the Hand and forced you to name which of your two teams you would have removed from the NFL, which would you choose?

Edited at 2017-11-30 01:42 am (UTC)
Nov. 30th, 2017 07:51 pm (UTC)
I'd have the Patriots removed. ;)
Nov. 30th, 2017 02:37 am (UTC)
My first thought when I saw this was that they didn't want to risk exposing Eli to injury in the remainder of a clearly lost season. Then I read more about it, and I am honestly confused as to what they're thinking. Eli still has a few good years left, and Geno is never going to be the answer for anyone. I don't know what their plans for the future are, and I suspect they don't either.
JJ Volty
Nov. 30th, 2017 05:13 am (UTC)
It's been a bad year. How much of that is Eli's fault or the collapse of the entire supporting cast? I think there's still gas in the tank and an offseason move to Jacksonville would be a perfect match for both team and player as they have his ex-coach Tom Coughlin and everything but a QB.

As for the 2017 Giants, this is a sad move and an insult. If they bench him for Webb, at least people would understand that. Rookie QBs in lost seasons are a combination we've all seen before and expect. Put Webb out there, see what he has, give him a taste of the big time, it's how young QBs learn. The reason Geno's on the team is because the Giants were hoping the 11-5 2016 team showed up and they needed an experienced hand to come in and keep them in playoff contention in case they needed a start or three along the way to stay in playoff contention.

In these circumstances, if they want to evaluate a QB to see if he's the future of your franchise, there's enough footage out there to prove that Geno ain't that. Eli gave them two magical runs, benching him for Geno is an insult. For Webb, that's more appropriate.
Phil Jonasson
Nov. 30th, 2017 05:38 am (UTC)
Eli v McAdoo
A friend and I were talking about where Eli could go today at work. Jacksonville seems like the strongest possibility, with the Coughlin connection, and their need for a QB -- no offense to Bortles, but we all know it's a shaky relationship there.
My friend pointed out that if Reese and McAdoo are canned, whomever takes over could elect to keep Eli going until Webb is good to take over, or they draft a stud QB. This upcoming class is said to be good.
Still, I dont think Eli's days are done, but it is very sad the way this season was handled for the G men
Nov. 30th, 2017 02:22 pm (UTC)
Geno Smith X-(
I can't believe that they are turning to Geno Smith. There is no added value from him starting. Either continue with Eli and play out the string or go to the kid to see what you have. Perhaps they don't want to subject Webb to the "protection" of the sorry o-line. Either way, I am disappointed. All the talk in the offseason was how this team was supposed to be contenders in the NFC.

I wonder what you would think if the Giants went after McDaniels as a replacement for McAdoo? On one hand, he is a great offensive coordinator, on the other hand he used a 1st round pick on Tebow while in Denver.
Phillip Ortman
Nov. 30th, 2017 02:31 pm (UTC)
I personally think it would have been funny if the owner of the Chargers had tweeted "If I was in the Giant's place, I wouldn't have benched Eli"
Nov. 30th, 2017 03:07 pm (UTC)
It always makes me sad to see someone who has behaved like he had some class and who has given their best to an organization treated like last week's garbage. Then the notification that the club sent out was completely trashy. "See Eli's reaction to being told that he's going to be benched!"

I wonder if they are just trying to make him miserable so that he'll quit.
Ron Fay
Nov. 30th, 2017 03:38 pm (UTC)
I am a huge Eli fan. I grew up in the southern part of CT, about 45 minutes from NYC. I now live on Long Island by way of MI, IL, and WI. I have always been a Giants fan until this. The GM (whose name I will not utter) should have been fired two years ago. His drafting has not only been poor in terms of talent, but the ideas in general are insane: where is the O-Line? Where is the D-Line? Does he even understand football? Drafting a franchise QB and no line gets you Andrew Luck: a great QB watching from the hospital. Yet somehow Eli has persevered through having horrible protection. Next, if you are going to transition Eli out, you have him start splitting first team reps with Webb so Webb can prep. Next you announce a specific upcoming home game will be Eli's last start. You name it Eli Manning Day, give away bobble-heads, etc. You celebrate him. Geno Smith should only start if Eli has died and Webb gets lost on his way to the game. Now it could be that this is done for historic purposes, as I believe Geno will be the first African-American QB to start for the Giants. Still, it is not a FOOTBALL decision, so let us be clear on that. Yes, draft a QB in the upcoming draft (there will be 4-7 potential franchise QBs this year, though Cleveland will find a way to screw it up), but then let him sit behind Eli and learn. Eli deserves to be a Giant for life, starting until a real replacement can be found. After this, I am no longer a Giants fan. I think I'll start cheering for the Lions instead, their players leave them instead of vice versa.
Nov. 30th, 2017 08:28 pm (UTC)
New York "House Baratheon" Giants.
I selected Baratheon because they held the throne (albeit not completely earned) in recent years. Now the once proud house of the Meadowlands has fallen into utter disarray.

Conor O'Shea
Dec. 1st, 2017 02:05 pm (UTC)
It can't end with Eli
Being upfront - not a huge Eli fan, he has coasted a bit since 2011. Geno is a bizarre choice over Davis though and ties into my main point.

What I mainly wanted to say is that Eli isn't the real issue. Eli is unfortunate in that he is the only one of the 3 biggest positions on the team who can be benched. McAdoo and Reese need to be benched too, so to speak, but have the luxury of that not really being realistic.

When they moved away from Coughlin they needed to clean house fully, but they hung on to everything else and now they pay the price. McAdoo was a bad coach last year, a big city Marvin Lewis whose players commit unpunished acts of stupidity.
Reese's record in drafting speaks for itself
Dec. 1st, 2017 02:41 pm (UTC)
Shoot the messenger. I remember Eli's first Superbowl when some people were speaking poorly of him and lamenting that it wasn't Peyton that was there. He's a class act, and benching him was a real insult.

Agreed, aging but not old-and what a bush league move.
Robert Leibowitz
Dec. 1st, 2017 04:48 pm (UTC)
Cleaning house
I can't recall the last time the Giants just "cleaned house" from top to bottom. Time to give a new regime a try and let that new front office hire its own personnel. Success isn't guaranteed, but things can't continue with our G-men as it stands.

Neither David Webb, nor Geno Smith are the long term QBs. Keep Eli happy, draft his successor with that high draft pick, and let him mentor whoever comes in.

Edited at 2017-12-01 04:49 pm (UTC)
Dec. 1st, 2017 06:04 pm (UTC)
Your reaction was exactly what I expected it to be. I watched Davis Webb at Cal in his senior season. He's probably destined to be a decent backup in the NFL, not a starter. I could be surprised, but he just didn't have the accuracy that is so key for a quarterback.
Dec. 1st, 2017 11:50 pm (UTC)
Giants Offseason needs
I’ve been blaming the GM since the draft for not targeting o-line in there first 2 picks of the draft.

It is obvious they need a couple better players on the Offensive Line so they need to get at least 1 if not 2 O-Linemen from Free Agency AND With there first pick in the draft.

The best OT in free Agency is Nate Solder from the Patriots, but there are a lot of “Pretty good” linemen becoming FA’s. They just need to get the ones they like.

The 3 worst O-Lines last years were the Rams, Vikings and Giants.
The Rams and Vikings went all out in during up there Line... the Giants did little to nothing. Now look at those 3 teams.

The Giants need to take a page out of what those 2 teams did.

They need to figure out fast if they like Webb because there are a lot of good QB’s that are becoming Free Agents after this season.

The Owner in my opinion has to bring in a new GM.

A good GM / Head Coach can easily turn around this talented team.
Dec. 4th, 2017 03:54 am (UTC)
It could be worse, George. You could be a Redskins fan. 😉
Pamela J. Martin
Dec. 4th, 2017 02:13 pm (UTC)
I can't believe they did that to Eli! I think they should of played him too.
Dec. 4th, 2017 09:25 pm (UTC)
This was the year I gave up on football. The NFL's owners are all Trump supporters. The Giants are horrible. I already won two Super Bowls. I need Sundays to finish work. Best decision I ever made.
Dec. 4th, 2017 11:13 pm (UTC)
They're gone
I wonder if Peyton is ready to run a front office...
Dec. 5th, 2017 12:57 pm (UTC)
A Michael Scott Moment
A few years of bad decisions have caught up with the Giants, and nobody wants to own them. I'm surprised the Maras didn't step in.

Are the Giants really putting next season in the Webb/Smith basket? Or are they going to have Eli backup Webb with Smith #3? None of those options make sense now...

I think most fans would have been sad, but understood, if they had a plan to start Webb and back him up with Eli for the last couple games to see what you got. Next year, you start Webb with Eli #2 or trade him. Or, draft a true starter QB and get a plan to start him in front of Eli. Yeah, sucks for Eli, but that's football.

Instead, this was a total Michael Scott moment where there was no plan and nobody wanted to own the bad news, so they made their clown coach do it... and then fired him for it.

Edited at 2017-12-05 01:00 pm (UTC)
Max Cameron Davis
Dec. 7th, 2017 02:34 am (UTC)
Wayward Traveler in Santa Fe With a Request
Hey George, I know this is off topic and a long shot, but I am in Santa Fe for business this week, I stopped by the Jean Cocteau to check it out. Loved it! I bought a signed copy of AGOT, and am very happy about it.

Now for the request - my daughter, due May 8th, 2018 is going to be named Brienne. Wife and I are huge fans and my favorite character since STORM has been Brienne (besides, it's a beautiful name). If you're going to be at the Jean Cocteau at all this week, I'd be floored to pay for a personalized dedication from you!

Hope you're well, especially now that Manning will be starting this week, and Chuckie said he had some interest in the Giants job if Manning is back next year!
Sorry if this is off topic and unnecessary on this blog, feel free to remove if so.
Dec. 11th, 2017 08:08 pm (UTC)
Re: Wayward Traveler in Santa Fe With a Request
A lovely thought, and I am sorry to disappoint, but I'm afraid I don't do personalized inscriptions any more. I had to stop three or four years ago, when the number of requests reached levels I could no longer accomodate.

I am glad you liked the JCC. Thanks for the kind words.


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