The Giants season is lost, plainly. Whether they win or lose the rest of the way is meaningless. So, yes, it makes a certain amount of sense to see what they have for the future. Eli Manning is aging... though this year's failures are hardly his fault, given the injuries to the wideouts, the lack of a running game, and the porous offensive line that gives him little or no time to throw. Big Blue has a rookie quarterback on the roster, the third round draft choice Davis Webb, and the team needs to know if he is the answer for the post-Eli era, so they can determine whether or not to spend what will likely be a very high draft pick on one of the quarterbacks coming out of college this year.
All that being said.... benching Eli Manning in the manner the Giants did yesterday was classless and inexcusable.
And benching him to start Geno Smith is insane.
GENO SMITH??? Really????
Nobody knows whether or not Davis Webb is a scrub, a journeyman, an NFL calibre starting qb, or a potential Hall of Famer. To find out, he needs some playing time, some experience. Geno Smith has had plenty of playing time, however. Geno Smith was not the answer on the Jets, and he is not the future of the Giants either.
This move smacks of desperation, and Ben McAdoo and Jerry Reese have good reason to be desperate. They were on shaky ground before this, given Reese's poor drafts and the way McAdoo has handled this disaster of a season. Come the off-season, I expect McAdoo, Reese, and Geno Smith will all be gone. I certainly hope so.
The sad part is that Eli may well be gone as well.
Eli may be aging, but he is not yet old. He is younger than Tom Brady or Drew Brees, both of whom are still going strong, and he has never missed a start. He has two or three more good seasons in him, I think. Whether his successor is Davis Webb or a college qb yet to be drafted, the best course for the Giants would be to identify that successor and then let him sit and learn from Eli, the way Brady sat behind Drew Bledsoe, Chad Pennington sat behind Vinnie Testaverde, and Aaron Rodgers sat behind Brett Favre. But that may be impossible now.
Instead....
Oh, life is miserable and full of pain.
All that being said.... benching Eli Manning in the manner the Giants did yesterday was classless and inexcusable.
And benching him to start Geno Smith is insane.
GENO SMITH??? Really????
Nobody knows whether or not Davis Webb is a scrub, a journeyman, an NFL calibre starting qb, or a potential Hall of Famer. To find out, he needs some playing time, some experience. Geno Smith has had plenty of playing time, however. Geno Smith was not the answer on the Jets, and he is not the future of the Giants either.
This move smacks of desperation, and Ben McAdoo and Jerry Reese have good reason to be desperate. They were on shaky ground before this, given Reese's poor drafts and the way McAdoo has handled this disaster of a season. Come the off-season, I expect McAdoo, Reese, and Geno Smith will all be gone. I certainly hope so.
The sad part is that Eli may well be gone as well.
Eli may be aging, but he is not yet old. He is younger than Tom Brady or Drew Brees, both of whom are still going strong, and he has never missed a start. He has two or three more good seasons in him, I think. Whether his successor is Davis Webb or a college qb yet to be drafted, the best course for the Giants would be to identify that successor and then let him sit and learn from Eli, the way Brady sat behind Drew Bledsoe, Chad Pennington sat behind Vinnie Testaverde, and Aaron Rodgers sat behind Brett Favre. But that may be impossible now.
Instead....
Oh, life is miserable and full of pain.
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Comments
The Dolphins can't seem to get a great qb, but then when we land a serviceable one, we can't get a great coach.
I thought Coughlin was a good coach (2 superbowls) and certainly better than the current guy.
Perhaps, we need a new sport to root for. The Islanders aren't doing too bad.
It'll be ironic when the Giants get the #1 pick and that pick refuses to play there due to poor team management... when did that last happen again? ;)
Let's just hope no one makes McAdoo do a walk of penance...
But to start Gino? Why? Try your rookie in a lost season. The Giants are tanking to get at least the second pick (either USC or UCLA's QB). So for the same reason the 49ers did not want to send in Galfigo - its a lost season anyway. But I hate pro teams that tank. The people pay money to see you play as well as possible with the talent on hand. For now that should be Eli or if not a rookie with potential. Gino brings nothing not even the interest of can he do it - no he can't.
Salary cap makes it tough to stockpile a promising rookie behind a expensive starting vet.
Coaching matters too, look at what a change of coaches did for the Ram's Goff (but Giant coach was offensive coordinator....). Bunch of new faces for the Giants next year.
TomT
Edited at 2017-11-30 01:42 am (UTC)
As for the 2017 Giants, this is a sad move and an insult. If they bench him for Webb, at least people would understand that. Rookie QBs in lost seasons are a combination we've all seen before and expect. Put Webb out there, see what he has, give him a taste of the big time, it's how young QBs learn. The reason Geno's on the team is because the Giants were hoping the 11-5 2016 team showed up and they needed an experienced hand to come in and keep them in playoff contention in case they needed a start or three along the way to stay in playoff contention.
In these circumstances, if they want to evaluate a QB to see if he's the future of your franchise, there's enough footage out there to prove that Geno ain't that. Eli gave them two magical runs, benching him for Geno is an insult. For Webb, that's more appropriate.
My friend pointed out that if Reese and McAdoo are canned, whomever takes over could elect to keep Eli going until Webb is good to take over, or they draft a stud QB. This upcoming class is said to be good.
Still, I dont think Eli's days are done, but it is very sad the way this season was handled for the G men
I wonder what you would think if the Giants went after McDaniels as a replacement for McAdoo? On one hand, he is a great offensive coordinator, on the other hand he used a 1st round pick on Tebow while in Denver.
I wonder if they are just trying to make him miserable so that he'll quit.
OURS IS THE FURY.
What I mainly wanted to say is that Eli isn't the real issue. Eli is unfortunate in that he is the only one of the 3 biggest positions on the team who can be benched. McAdoo and Reese need to be benched too, so to speak, but have the luxury of that not really being realistic.
When they moved away from Coughlin they needed to clean house fully, but they hung on to everything else and now they pay the price. McAdoo was a bad coach last year, a big city Marvin Lewis whose players commit unpunished acts of stupidity.
Reese's record in drafting speaks for itself
Agreed, aging but not old-and what a bush league move.
Neither David Webb, nor Geno Smith are the long term QBs. Keep Eli happy, draft his successor with that high draft pick, and let him mentor whoever comes in.
Edited at 2017-12-01 04:49 pm (UTC)
It is obvious they need a couple better players on the Offensive Line so they need to get at least 1 if not 2 O-Linemen from Free Agency AND With there first pick in the draft.
The best OT in free Agency is Nate Solder from the Patriots, but there are a lot of “Pretty good” linemen becoming FA’s. They just need to get the ones they like.
The 3 worst O-Lines last years were the Rams, Vikings and Giants.
The Rams and Vikings went all out in during up there Line... the Giants did little to nothing. Now look at those 3 teams.
The Giants need to take a page out of what those 2 teams did.
They need to figure out fast if they like Webb because there are a lot of good QB’s that are becoming Free Agents after this season.
The Owner in my opinion has to bring in a new GM.
A good GM / Head Coach can easily turn around this talented team.
Are the Giants really putting next season in the Webb/Smith basket? Or are they going to have Eli backup Webb with Smith #3? None of those options make sense now...
I think most fans would have been sad, but understood, if they had a plan to start Webb and back him up with Eli for the last couple games to see what you got. Next year, you start Webb with Eli #2 or trade him. Or, draft a true starter QB and get a plan to start him in front of Eli. Yeah, sucks for Eli, but that's football.
Instead, this was a total Michael Scott moment where there was no plan and nobody wanted to own the bad news, so they made their clown coach do it... and then fired him for it.
Edited at 2017-12-05 01:00 pm (UTC)
Now for the request - my daughter, due May 8th, 2018 is going to be named Brienne. Wife and I are huge fans and my favorite character since STORM has been Brienne (besides, it's a beautiful name). If you're going to be at the Jean Cocteau at all this week, I'd be floored to pay for a personalized dedication from you!
Hope you're well, especially now that Manning will be starting this week, and Chuckie said he had some interest in the Giants job if Manning is back next year!
Sorry if this is off topic and unnecessary on this blog, feel free to remove if so.
I am glad you liked the JCC. Thanks for the kind words.